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13-02-2021, 09:01
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#181
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Cailifornia
Boat: 1999 Hunter 410
Posts: 197
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
I used no sealant and there is absolutely no need for it in my install for the thru Hull. I did however seal all exhaust fittings with a fiberglass tape the melts. Available as muffler tape in auto part stores.
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13-02-2021, 09:19
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#182
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Whitby, Canada
Boat: Morgan Out Island 41
Posts: 2,369
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
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Originally Posted by KenH
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The one I bought came with a thick silicone gasket, but I used some high temp permatex also the fitting at this location isn't really that hot. I can touch it with my hand.
I don't use 5200 anywhere on my boat!
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13-02-2021, 09:26
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#183
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Victoria B.C.
Boat: Wauquiez Centurion 32
Posts: 2,880
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
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Originally Posted by KenH
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Do not use 4200 or 5200. Use high heat silicone.
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13-02-2021, 10:22
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#184
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: puget sound washington
Boat: 1968 Islander bahama 24 hull 182, 1963 columbia 29 defender. hull # 60
Posts: 12,785
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
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Originally Posted by KenH
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Just the gaskets afterall it is nowhere near the waterline and not on a flattish horizontal surface
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13-02-2021, 10:23
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#185
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Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Between Caribbean and Canada
Boat: Murray 33-Chouette & Pape Steelmaid-44-Safara-both steel cutters
Posts: 8,855
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
Used 5200 on my steel hull.
But it is not always a good choice. 5200 softens with hear.
I have a max length run so the pipe does not get very hot, and the steel mitigates what heat there is. So I have a very special case where 5200 works.
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16-02-2021, 13:50
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#186
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Bermuda
Boat: Heritage West Indies 36
Posts: 1,016
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
I used this stuff. 5200 and 4200 both get very soft and gooey when heated. Standard bathroom silicone sealant would probably do the trick, but since I had this lying around I used it.
Update:
A week or so later and the heater is still working. I'm going to officially call it 'fixed', which I'm very happy about. Of course, now the temperature has warmed up to 20C and we don't need it any more...........
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17-02-2021, 15:39
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#187
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Great Neck, N.Y.
Boat: Lancer 30, Little Jumps
Posts: 835
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
Good to hear your up and running.
Weather here in NY has slowed things down, however did check out my fuel delivery and exhaust (for sure more soot than one would think for a new unit) but not bad. So now I get to join in on the fun of removing, opening, cleaning unit. Only I foolishly used muffler cement joining condensation drain/exhaust to heater.
And will attempt to disconnect without destroying any bits!
Any thoughts on what to use? Dry ice? Thanks
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Lancer 30
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18-02-2021, 17:56
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#188
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Bermuda
Boat: Heritage West Indies 36
Posts: 1,016
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
Ooooh, tricky. Well, according to someone Google found for me, apparently that stuff breaks down at about 315 degrees C. Maybe try getting it red hot with a butane torch and giving it a light tap with a hammer? Without breaking anything.......or setting fire to your boat!
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18-02-2021, 18:11
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#189
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Whitby, Canada
Boat: Morgan Out Island 41
Posts: 2,369
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
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Originally Posted by hugosalt
Good to hear your up and running.
Weather here in NY has slowed things down, however did check out my fuel delivery and exhaust (for sure more soot than one would think for a new unit) but not bad. So now I get to join in on the fun of removing, opening, cleaning unit. Only I foolishly used muffler cement joining condensation drain/exhaust to heater.
And will attempt to disconnect without destroying any bits!
Any thoughts on what to use? Dry ice? Thanks
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You'll be surprised how brittle exhaust cement is. I used it on all my joints and I was still able to easily diconnect the heater exhaust from the hose,
A lot of soot usually means you're burning rich. I've been really lucky With my CDH, but I clean it annually (Usually in the spring) but forgot this year with covid and all. Just cleaned it tonight and after running for a winter and a half of weekends (3-4 hrs each day) I only found 3-4 tablespoons of soot after taking it apart and cleaning the burn chamber. I use a small brass wire brush to remove the soot from the inside. I also have a pack of about 10 burn chamber gaskets and some metal gaskets for the fan assembly.
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06-03-2021, 13:10
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#190
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Great Neck, N.Y.
Boat: Lancer 30, Little Jumps
Posts: 835
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
Finally back to heater last week. Surprisingly easy to remove muffler cement, gently used some leverage to loosen (Yes PCMM cement was very brittle).
Found a partial blockage in exhaust right at heater. Even though I used sparingly(so I thought)and (I think) used on male only so cement would be pushed out was enough to partly restrict exhaust.
Tested and started/heated right up.
Will run hot and heavy for a while and hopefully will not have to open up burn chamber.
But will order and keep spare gaskets and atomizer screen on hand.
Thank you
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03-04-2021, 20:26
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#191
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Bermuda
Boat: Heritage West Indies 36
Posts: 1,016
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
I give up. It's doing the same thing again. I can't be taking this damned thing apart every third time I use it. I'm writing it off as an expensive mistake............
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03-04-2021, 21:03
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#192
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Whitby, Canada
Boat: Morgan Out Island 41
Posts: 2,369
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
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Originally Posted by DefinitelyMe
I give up. It's doing the same thing again. I can't be taking this damned thing apart every third time I use it. I'm writing it off as an expensive mistake............
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Go into the menu and write out your settings. I’ll bet they’re set way too rich. I’ll check mine to,or row and see what I have mine set to.
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04-04-2021, 00:52
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#193
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Portland, Oregon USA
Boat: Island Packet, Packet Cat 35
Posts: 1,045
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
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Originally Posted by DefinitelyMe
I give up. It's doing the same thing again. I can't be taking this damned thing apart every third time I use it. I'm writing it off as an expensive mistake............
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I paid $108 USD for mine, 5kw. Worked perfectly until I noticed that after I insulated the hot air tube going onto the cabin the high temp silicone was now bubbling at the exhaust connections. Took it apart and used exhaust cement. What a clustrf*ck that turned into. The excess had balled up, got hard and prettty much closed down the exhaust which then sooted up the unit. Ok. lesson learned. Used the highest silicone sealant I could find ( a bit higher temp then the the cement) and only after the pipe was 1/2 way up the joint so any excess couldn't cause a bloackage. Cleaned it, put it back together.
Works mostly. I get error code 5 and 8 and once 10. What I've started doing is to run it on max for at least 30 minutes once a day and always just before shutdown. I changed my pulse rate to go higher then original. theory is this is burning out the soot that gets created. Seems to be the answer so far.
Good luck
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04-04-2021, 03:07
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#194
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 189
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
Yeah that’s part of the secret. I use kerosene as it’s cleaner burning and definitely run it up to max for a few minutes before starting the shutdown cycle.
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04-04-2021, 06:40
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#195
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Bermuda
Boat: Heritage West Indies 36
Posts: 1,016
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Re: Diesel Heater Advice
Quote:
Originally Posted by pcmm
Go into the menu and write out your settings. I’ll bet they’re set way too rich. I’ll check mine to,or row and see what I have mine set to.
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1.00Hz min
3.00Hz max
1500rpm min
4300rpm max
SN-1
PF-5
Off
Bearing in mind that mine is the 2kW version which uses exactly the same dosing pump as the 5kW version but just has a smaller burn chamber I'd probably want a leaner burn than most I think? I haven't adjusted these parameters from the factory settings.
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