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Old 24-01-2018, 04:39   #31
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Now all kidding aside, *that* looks *nice*!

Can't afford new, old ones built good 'n strong?
Drascombe's have a very good rep and hold their values much better than many other marques..
Don't think they've gone down the 'Thinner is better' route.. still built strong.
Sail very well and have a fanatical Association.
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Ideal for coastal cruising.
Does that imply there aren't examples safe for blue water passage making?
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Drascomb's have a very good rep
Just in case you're not just taking the p1ss

Maybe you failed to notice this
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well-suited to (yes "primitive and uncomfortable camping-style) long-term cruising and living aboard.
from my first post here?

I didn't mean "camping" as in going completely without a cabin!

More along the lines of a beachable Nor'sea 27, Albin Vega or Columbia 29. . .
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Re: Bilge Keelers, a thing of the past?

Just a British thing. Same tidal conditions exist on all coasts on the same parallel.
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Just in case you're not just taking the p1ss

Maybe you failed to notice this from my first post here?

I didn't mean "camping" as in going completely without a cabin!

More along the lines of a beachable Nor'sea 27, Albin Vega or Columbia 29. . .
John.. the Drascombe Cornish Crabber is 24ft long and has 4 berths, toilet and galley..
Cornish Crabbers Crabber 24 for sale UK, Cornish Crabbers boats for sale, Cornish Crabbers used boat sales, Cornish Crabbers Sailing Yachts For Sale Cornish Crabber Mk1 1982, Yanmar 1GM - Apollo Duck
They also do a 19ftr called the Shrimper..
Cornish Crabbers Shrimper 19 for sale UK, Cornish Crabbers boats for sale, Cornish Crabbers used boat sales, Cornish Crabbers Sailing Yachts For Sale Cornish Shrimper Mark 2 - Apollo Duck
These designs are based on the boats that worked the SW of Englands coasts.. wide open to the N Atlantic gales.
I never take the piss where someones life may be concerned.
They also do a Crabber 26 and a 30ft Pilot Cutter..
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[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][SIZE="3"]John.. the Drascombe Cornish Crabber is 24ft long and has 4 berths, toilet and galley.
Aha thanks, I just saw the open ones, sorry for not digging deeper down into the google results.

Sailboat data is pretty sparse also, closest I see is http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5187

But added to the list now!
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This is where my wires got crossed, on the Drascombe part
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Trailable? Shoal draft? Blue water?

Look no further... a Drascombe Lugger is the boat for you... CHIDIOCK TICHBORNE
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A correction re calling the Crabber a Drascombe.. I was confusing them with the 22ft Drascombe Coaster.. blackholing again..
The Cornish range are a different company.. surprised to find they were formerly Westerly.
Here's a review from a Yank..
https://www.spinsheet.com/boat-revie...ed-boat-review

and another with pics by yachtsnet.
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Yes noticed they're pricier than the Westerlies.

I assume that's the pretty factor rather than strength / build quality?

Or are there other practical advantages?
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Having read 3 pages of this thread I am surpprised that no one mentioned that apart from the obvious ability to take the ground on mud flats & harbours that dry out at low tide. The thus far unmentioned theory of sailing qualities is that where healed the Lee side keel. Is usually more vertical. And moments about it favor ballasting the windward side.

As to why it fell out of favour I can not say. The popularity of sailing dinghies in the 1970's whent the Same way.
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The Queens Revenue collector extending the fiscal claim from the high water mark to MLWS didn't help.. nearly doubled the mooring fees and killed a lot of folks sailing.
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I'm very interested in this category as well, "beachable bluewater"

but limited to under a 2.6m beam, or 8'6",

and well-suited to (yes "primitive and uncomfortable camping-style) long-term cruising and living aboard.

I haven't collated all my rough list so far, offhand only know of Centaur 26, dunno Pageant and Nomad?

Maybe I need to brush up on my French?


John,

While I do have a Chrysler 22 swing keel (yep, only mass production sailboat made by an auto manufacturer!) (on a lake) (built like a tank) (i learned a lot from it as a fixer-upper) I CAN tell you it paid huge dividends: mine draws 18" of water with the keel up, and I beach it regularly. It HAS fixed stupid inexperienced "me" several times.
So I started my "blue water sailboat/ built like a tank" search out of my fear of prior errors, the ocean being bigger, badder, & meaner (and unforgiving), and a survival of the fittest attitude.
A. I'm quite impressed with the number of folks who do no homework at all, and walk into disasters dangerously ignorant. It's reminiscent of the "free boat" Youtube episodes from *Teleport. (The guy who gave the boat away actually said he did "maintenance".... and the "taker" of said "gift" sure learned his lesson. But also read about charter boat disasters!!!
B. If you made it to this forum, then you're a good prepper, and someone I'd get in a boat with.
C. Many of our fears are unfounded: these boats are strong, and can keep the wary safe, but (anyone) can get hit by a sucker punch. The truth is that disasters are rare, or self-created. That leaves you and I at (rare). You'll never see the sucker-punch coming - (you'll plan for everything but the thing you can't see coming).
D. Teir one: Westsail, Tayana, Alajuela, Baba, Hans Christian. Full keel/ protected rudders.
Teir two: Tartan, Pacific Seacraft, Island Packet, Hallberg-Rassey, Moody, Wauquiez, Hanse, ComPac. (Lots) of others. Fin keel/ skeg rudder.
Teir three: (older) Moody's, RM yachts, Saddler, Southerly, Westerly, Legend, Ovni, Hake, Boreal, Allure. Shallow draft & Bilge Keelers.
Teir four: Catamarans... ending in "S" for CA$H! Lagoon/ still affordable. But I've now heard my (fifth) story of catamarans running right over a reef and knocking off both rudders and (ssssssinking) in the process.

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Having read 3 pages of this thread I am surpprised that no one mentioned that apart from the obvious ability to take the ground on mud flats & harbours that dry out at low tide. The thus far unmentioned theory of sailing qualities is that where healed the Lee side keel. Is usually more vertical. And moments about it favor ballasting the windward side.

As to why it fell out of favour I can not say. The popularity of sailing dinghies in the 1970's whent the Same way.
I don't think it was really a matter of falling out of favour.... just that the market has all the bilgekeelers it needs.... Westerly alone built over 2500 Centaurs in 11 years from '69 to '80 ( 2444 Centaurs and about 70 Chieftains - same boat but centre cockpit).

Of course what has happened over the years is that people want bigger boats and the ease that comes with keeping her in a marina.

The missus will no longer cop crouching over a single burner kero cooker or putting on splatchers to get out to the boat at low tide....

Quite understandable from my point of view....
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Look at the "Bluebird of thorne"
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Re: Bilge Keelers, a thing of the past?

Interesting read......

Bray Yacht Design and Research Ltd. - The Advantages of Twin Keels
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