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Old 03-09-2024, 13:17   #1
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Sailing Toronto To Miami with a deep keel!

Hi All,

New to this forum. Im contemplating taking my new CS 36 Merlin from Toronto to Miami, and possibly on to the Bahamas from there. I draw about 6'5 (deep keep configuration!). Departing late September, early October.

Anny recommended Cruising Plan?

Seems like the most straight forward would be Toronto to Oswego, mast down and traverse the locks to around albany, mast back up, over to NYC and out to the Atlantic and down.

Thought about the ICW but I suspect my draft would be an issue based on what I am reading?

Any opinions suggestions?

Thanks all!
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Re: Sailing Toronto To Miami with a deep keel!

Inside you will not make it through NJ with that draft. Everywhere else you'll be ok but in a few areas you will have move on a rising tide.

Leaving that late ... take a snowmobile suit you are going to be cold all the way to the Delaware.

We are currently in Sandy hook and have already run the heater overnight about 8 or 9 times.
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Re: Sailing Toronto To Miami with a deep keel!

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Hi All,

New to this forum. Im contemplating taking my new CS 36 Merlin from Toronto to Miami, and possibly on to the Bahamas from there. I draw about 6'5 (deep keep configuration!). Departing late September, early October.

Anny recommended Cruising Plan?

Seems like the most straight forward would be Toronto to Oswego, mast down and traverse the locks to around albany, mast back up, over to NYC and out to the Atlantic and down.

Thought about the ICW but I suspect my draft would be an issue based on what I am reading?

Any opinions suggestions?

Thanks all!
Mast to 54'? And the rest is tidal? ICW is a mast height issue. If you can drop mast, keep cruising.
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Mast to 54'? And the rest is tidal? ICW is a mast height issue. If you can drop mast, keep cruising.
The bridges on the ICW under 65' open. The Merlin does not have a 65' mast.
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Re: Sailing Toronto To Miami with a deep keel!

Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Genetic Drifter.

You should be OK, on the AICW [NJ excepted].
You can take boatpoker's advise, as 'gospel' - he knows, whereof he speaks [even tho' a stinkpotter].

According to SailboatData* the CS36 Merlin has a “a tall or regular rig”.
I = 45.5' or 49' [so, expect air draft to be < 53']
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/cs-36-merlin/

Theoriginal CS36 has a Mast Height from DWL of: 52.83 ft / 16.10 m
* https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/cs-36/

CS 36 Merlin Owner’s Manual ➥ http://www.csyachtswest.org/uploads/...lin_manual.pdf


CS36 Owner’s Manual ➥ http://www.csyachtswest.org/uploads/...s36_manual.pdf

CS 36 Merlin Review, by Pat Sturgeon [1998] ➥ https://canadianboating.ca/boat-revi...l-boat-review/
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Old 05-09-2024, 11:46   #6
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Re: Sailing Toronto To Miami with a deep keel!

I did that trip two years ago leaving Ohio in mid September and transiting the Welland Canal whereupon you see the skyscrapers of Toronto immediately upon leaving.

Lake Ontario in early October can be nice, or it can have what we got which was steady, NNW winds of 20 knots. They feel like they come straight from the North Pole. Hats and gloves and a lot of mid day hot tea made it tolerable.

I took my mast down at Oswego. The fellows at Oswego Marina could not have been more helpful. There was a huge pile of old wood to build cradles with and they lent us a circular saw (I had a drill and timberloks). There is a hardware store nearby to buy what you can’t scavenge.

The Erie Canal has a closing date of Oct 15. We had been told that (by someone on the phone) that they simply shut the locks on Oct 15 and left you to deal with getting hauled out if you didn’t make it. This seemed very harsh and we made it to Waterford on the afternoon of Oct 14. We had passed several boats in the last two days and we wondered what would happen to them. The answer was they stayed open a couple extra days to clear several Toronto based boats that were close. Pretty sure they didn’t strand anybody.

For some reason, many of the Torontonians we saw had stepped their masts and cradled them in Toto before crossing Lake Ontario. Many were complaining about the nasty crossing with masts in (high) cradles. I suppose if the lake had been calm, this one or two day run would have been uneventful, but as stated before we had steady 20+ and the pitching must have been a mess on boats with masts cradled high up.

On the Oswego/Erie canals It was chilly at night for sure. Knit hats, jackets and occasional heater on. But the days, crisp and clear and sunny with all the glorious fall foliage that thwt part of the world can muster was beyond words. Absolutely sublime. The wind ceases to be any kind of issue here.

You can put back up at a DIY yard in Castleton or at Riverview in Catskill. I paid $250.00 at Riverview as it was getting late in the season and started to worry about the impending autumn and thinking more about making south.

You will have to skip NJ and ‘go outside’ for that portion of the trip. It was a long 18 hours from NYC to Cape May, and cold day and night, but we saw several whales. You can duck in at Barnegat and AC if you need to but attempting to transit the ICW there with 6’ of draft is not a great idea. Seek further confirmation from innumerable posts on line.

I had reasons to divert to Baltimore and spend several days. Good days on the Chesapeake in the fall are very good and cold, windy rainy days in October are just that.

The Salty Dawgs flotilla leaves from Hampton Roads in November and there are quite a few tropical bound cruisers when you get there. I guess I have been lucky, but I have taken off South from there in November three times and I have had lovely weather all the way to charleston.

You’ll have to choose at Norfolk between the ICW and Cape Hatteras. If you don’t know that already, you will have to do some research on this. It’s a fairly consequential decision in the autumn.

From Morehead City, NC to Florida its dealers choice on the Atlantic vs ICW. Much of Georgia is difficult on the ICW with a 6’ draft as maintenance is spotty and the currents and winding rivers make for slow going. Big tides, poor markings, and dated chart info mean running aground is just a matter of time. Fortunately pluff mud is forgiving. There are numerous safe anchorages to dip into if necessary (and a few that seem benign but can be pretty nasty; do your research before you leave Charleston)

The daytime temps south of there are tolerable all the way to Miami in November.

It’s a great trip. Enjoy.
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