Are YouTubers wrecking it for the rest of us?

[valhalla360]

I don't know how many 3rd world places you've been to but our experience... it's getting rare to find any of these "poor" people without a smart phone and if they see something interesting, they whip it out to film.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Interesting how quickly this whole cheap flying thing has evolved. It's only been in the last, say 10-15 years that flying has become relatively cheap. Not long ago it definitely was only the relatively rich that flew regularly. For most people they either never flew, or when they did it was a rare and major life event. Heck, I remember when people used to dress up to fly.

This change has happened lock-step with the massive growth of foreign tourism. I wonder if there is a causal relationship here, and if so, which way does it flow.

Actually, it changed back in the 80's when the airlines were deregulated...As much as we like to complain about tiny seats (and I complain too), airfares have largely held steady over the last 40yrs.

PS: a million youtube views will get you few hundred bucks...so unless you are putting out million view videos multiple times per week, you aren't going to support a lavish lifestyle.

[alansmith]

Free Range Sailing is an example of YouTube that is deeply rewarding to me. Aussie couple circumnavigating Australia. Maritime engineer and his woman. They are excellent at foraging for food... fishing, spearing, oysters, mussels, etc. I probably will never get to sail Australia. So, they are far from glossy. But knowledgeable about scavenging and seamanship.

The formula for many vloggers seems to be young, beautiful women, and it gets boring after awhile. Hard to make an interesting video weekly. Kinda of feel for them in regards to pressure schedules. I’ve stopped watching many of them that I started watching.

Can you blame them if they have found a viable way to support their sailing costs. I certainly wouldn’t want any part of that pressure.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by tarian

It is a criminal offence to point a camera ,, video someone in the UK without their permission unless for crime prevention , CCTV it is also illegal to have security cameras in one garden pointing towards the road were it can take a person's picture ��. But to the OPs question , it is common decent not to take any video of anyone unless you ask permission we of the first world think we have the divine right to anything when away from our espresso machines ����.

Unless you are the police, right? Doesn't London have the most cameras and facial recognition in the world basically?

[Chotu]

For me, it's the drones that really irk me. They come right into the cockpit. They see you and your partner naked at the anchorage.

I'm getting a net this time for them.

[valhalla360]

Originally Posted by alansmith

The formula for many vloggers seems to be young, beautiful women, and it gets boring after awhile. Hard to make an interesting video weekly. Kinda of feel for them in regards to pressure schedules. I’ve stopped watching many of them that I started watching.

Can you blame them if they have found a viable way to support their sailing costs. I certainly wouldn’t want any part of that pressure.

Yeah, if you want to make money, it's got to be quality content put out on a regular basis. That takes a lot of time and effort because a cute bikini girl only holds your attention so long before you click on the next cute bikini girl vlog.

I know when we first started we had a blog (with a B) and if you tried to keep it up daily or even weekly, it started to become about what you had for dinner... now we limit posts to every month or two with highlights....but we don't have or care about having a huge fan base.

But yeah, if they make a few bucks good for them...but there are a lot of easier ways to make a buck.

[jimbunyard]

Originally Posted by fxykty

Many YouTube vloggers take their cameras into clearance offices, businesses, cafes, homes, special events and generally along the beach, street or wherever else they are, including their own and other people’s boats.

While I’m generally a live and let live person, I’m concerned that especially in places that are on the main cruising routes the proliferation of cameras and video are going to poison local relations with cruisers. Are all cruisers going to be considered business people making a living off poorer people? Do they get consent from every person they capture? Do they share their revenue?

The coral and fish and beaches and ocean and boats don’t care about being used to sell a product (the ‘reality show’ that many people seem determined to create). But what about all the people? Isn’t that exploitation? For those who personally document for themselves perhaps OK if not intrusive, but for the rest running Internet businesses I’m not OK.

The one time we mixed with a couple who have a relatively popular channel they casually asked if we’d mind to appear in their video. We said yes, we do mind and don’t want to be splashed across the Internet, they were surprised but respected it and put the cameras away.

Whilst 'poison' might not be the right word, there is no doubt that the introduction of outside influence will affect the lives of those 'imposed' upon. (leaving aside the effects on the, at least to me, primary attractions of such places, i.e. their varied contrasts to ones' own brand of 'civilization')

On both sides (tourist or touree) some will feel poisoned; others will feel ---gratified?

One extreme; I refuse to visit the Florida panhandle anymore because of the
capitalization and commercialization spurred, at least in part, by tourists.

The other extreme:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/...ohn+Allen+Chau

I guess my desire for privacy is archaic.

Have a look at 'preference falsification' for, perhaps, some insight on that...

[Renegde_Sailor]

Originally Posted by EmeraldCoastSailor

How much does someone make with 1.2 million views?

anywhere from 1-6 thousand.

[sailorboy1]

Aren’t cruisers a happy mellow group

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by valhalla360

I don't know how many 3rd world places you've been to but our experience... it's getting rare to find any of these "poor" people without a smart phone and if they see something interesting, they whip it out to film.

I've just been around the local Kuna people in the San Blas, lots of cell phones..lol.

Things change, that's a given, are vloggers destroying it for the rest of us? I doubt it , their number is small.

The cruising world is changing just like everything else.

[Pelagic]

YouTubers are like a benign tumor or mole on the face of our cruising community.

Some see it as ugly and a distraction from having the pure experience of visiting new places and meeting new people, without the production hype, or a tunnel mindset.

Others, see it like a "beauty mark" and celebrate that intrusion as they did with Cindy Crawford's iconic mole.

Personally, I am the former and more like the OP, in my dislike of them

I dislike being interviewed or recorded
Prefer to intrude softly into a local community or customs office without forcing them to say " no pictures" or watching them squirm uncomfortably in front of the lens, out of politeness.

We've gone from a simple "Kodiak moment" to full blown intrusion with Drones and Audio.....that is a shame!

I like to send my family photos or short video captures of something special. Any more would be considered excessive.

[daletournier]

Are you guys really seeing lots of vloggers in your travels? I'm not, maybe 2-3, maybe.

What I am noticing is when crew want to take pictures in some places locals are asking for money, seeing this more and more.

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by daletournier

Are you guys really seeing lots of vloggers in your travels? I'm not, maybe 2-3, maybe.

based on boat cards I meet lots of people with blogs, but I have never run into a vlogger/bogger/whatever

I think vbloggers get most of their traffic from dreamers and wannabees, just like the glossy magazines. So don't they mess anything up other than the cruiser tourist traps

[NorthernMac]

Originally Posted by Simi 60

No, the safest option is to not do silly sh1te that'll upset the locals.
Educate yourself somewhat about country, culture, does and don'ts before arrival
The internet is so much more than cat videos, porn and cruisers forum

Trying to predict what’s going to disturb a mentally disturbed person? Good luck with that

[a64pilot]

I’ll often use YouTube to see how to make a car repair etc. cause sometimes there are small differences in how a caliper is held on or something, but these are greatly different than the one or two cruising Vlogs that I have seen, they are informative.
But the one or two sailing YouTube’s I’ve glanced at, usually following links from here, I just can’t tolerate. It’s either two boring people sitting at the table rambling on incoherently or some grinning happy idiot.
But what really chaps my behind is these people who have no technical background or experience that have installed some product or another are now advising others on it as if they are now experts, having down it once.
Same for the how to provision, or how to buy a boat etc.

From my very acknowledged limited experience, it seems that it’s always people with zero experience that are giving advice.

Now if the types like Jim and Ann Kate were to have a YouTube channel, then it’s way more likely I’d watch.

But I really just don’t understand the whole Blog / Vlog thing, they seem often to be based on people’s desire to show off, they want others to be jealous of their life.
Which is I’d assume the whole genesis of the whole keeping up with the Kardashians type of thing, why would any one want to?

Now the ones that can make a buck out of it, thats great, more power to them, I can understand that motivation, it’s called making a living, and I respect them more than those that cruise on Daddy’s money.