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Old 10-12-2019, 11:27   #31
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Many YouTube vloggers take their cameras into clearance offices, businesses, cafes, homes, special events and generally along the beach, street or wherever else they are, including their own and other peopleís boats.

While Iím generally a live and let live person, Iím concerned that especially in places that are on the main cruising routes the proliferation of cameras and video are going to poison local relations with cruisers. Are all cruisers going to be considered business people making a living off poorer people? Do they get consent from every person they capture? Do they share their revenue?

The coral and fish and beaches and ocean and boats donít care about being used to sell a product (the Ďreality showí that many people seem determined to create). But what about all the people? Isnít that exploitation? For those who personally document for themselves perhaps OK if not intrusive, but for the rest running Internet businesses Iím not OK.

The one time we mixed with a couple who have a relatively popular channel they casually asked if weíd mind to appear in their video. We said yes, we do mind and donít want to be splashed across the Internet, they were surprised but respected it and put the cameras away.

I guess my desire for privacy is archaic.
There is another dimension to this question.

My personal concern is the selected and artificial picture many vloggers project; they have become more of a vacation record than a voyage log. On a 20-30 day voyage to the Marquesas more footage is about their island touring than the voyage itself...why didn't they just take a plane? Yes, there can be boring days at sea but many vloggers are more concerned about losing/gaining subscribers than revealing the realities of their sailing adventure...bad and good. It's becoming more a competition for subscribers than revealing the details of their voyage, so they give their customers what they perceive they want...the positive glitz.

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Re: Are YouTubers wrecking it for the rest of us?

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It is a criminal offence to point a camera ,, video someone in the UK without their permission unless for crime prevention , .
Oh Frap! I guess I have to give the underwear back as well....
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Old 10-12-2019, 12:37   #33
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Re: Are YouTubers wrecking it for the rest of us?

Your question reminds me of a time when I was in Palermo, Sicily, walking around looking for some good atmosphere shots with my camera. I came across some old men in a park playing checkers that was worth a pic. As I lined up the shot, I saw a younger man out of the corner of my eye motioning to me with a wagging finger, clearly telling me this was a no-no. This being Sicily, I quickly "got the picture" so to speak.
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"Wrecking it" might be a stretch. All that filming might be obnoxious, but if it leaves behind no mark then it is not much of a concern for locals IMO. Too many cruisers in the same spot? Maybe an issue. We try to avoid those spots.

I happen to live near an iconic beach that has a seasonal influx of tourists who all seem to do the same landmark selfies and rolling video commentary. There is a monkey-see monkey-do aspect that is quite humorous, but quite harmless relatively.

However, there is also a recent addition to this tourist flock from a place that will go unmentioned. Apparently in this new group's home area, it is okay to simply leave behind ALL of one's trash on the sand, after having a nice family lunch at the beach. Very strange. Perhaps there should be travel lessons for some. (I've never met a cruiser who would do such a thing)
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Re: Are YouTubers wrecking it for the rest of us?

To chime in again, there is a phrase my father used from time to time, it was about peopleís behavior, he referred to it as ďsocial gracesĒ or the lack there in...

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The only ones I watch, is if I'm going to learn something from real sailing. Those phony smiles and that "like me, I'm/we're cool" and aren't we pretty" make me want to puke. Sometimes I get suckered in and about 3minutes into it, yuk!
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Re: Are YouTubers wrecking it for the rest of us?

fxykty, et al,

Well, I think it vlogging to support cruising is a relatively new phenomenon, and the real beginning of the deterioration of cruising grounds began with Sat/nav. The deterioration is a result of overpopulation of said grounds, mostly by well meaning cruisers. There are very few quasi-untouched places left. And smart people don't advertise them.

You're right about the rallyes being like swarms of locusts: they'll clean out any small island community of any freshies in a flash. They sort of unheedingly take advantage of the locals. The worst example I personally know of was taking the catchment drinking water from an atoll....and the yachties were seen washing their boat--with the locals' drinking water.

imo, the damage the vloggers do is to trivialize cruising. They tend to make it look like it is all easy fun, that it is they who matter, rather than the folks whom they visit. People believe what they see. People with low maintenance skills go cruising and have failures and don't really cope very well. Some drop out before they've even left.

We recently met a young man (27). He had sailed into our anchorage. He's singlehanding. His boat is a Contessa 26. He sailed her from FP to here. He had sailed a Hunter 30 from the US mainland to FP, decided he wanted a better ocean boat. He is smart, handsome, capable, and now plans to work at his trade for a while. My hat's off to him! What a wonderful example! And only other cruisers know him, 'cause he's been out here, doing it, while others watch TV. Some people might think that's too bad, but I think it's really neat.

Everything changes, and overpopulation affects everything.

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We recently met a young man (27). ....
He is smart, handsome, capable, ...
My hat's off to him!...
What a wonderful example! ...
Too bad, Mr. C will be chasing him out of the anchorage as soon as he logs in...
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He has pulled down almost 1.2 million views on this video for a reason.
How much does someone make with 1.2 million views?
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fxykty, et al,

Well, I think it vlogging to support cruising is a relatively new phenomenon, and the real beginning of the deterioration of cruising grounds began with Sat/nav. The deterioration is a result of overpopulation of said grounds, mostly by well meaning cruisers. There are very few quasi-untouched places left. And smart people don't advertise them.

You're right about the rallyes being like swarms of locusts: they'll clean out any small island community of any freshies in a flash. They sort of unheedingly take advantage of the locals. The worst example I personally know of was taking the catchment drinking water from an atoll....and the yachties were seen washing their boat--with the locals' drinking water.

imo, the damage the vloggers do is to trivialize cruising. They tend to make it look like it is all easy fun, that it is they who matter, rather than the folks whom they visit. People believe what they see. People with low maintenance skills go cruising and have failures and don't really cope very well. Some drop out before they've even left.

We recently met a young man (27). He had sailed into our anchorage. He's singlehanding. His boat is a Contessa 26. He sailed her from FP to here. He had sailed a Hunter 30 from the US mainland to FP, decided he wanted a better ocean boat. He is smart, handsome, capable, and now plans to work at his trade for a while. My hat's off to him! What a wonderful example! And only other cruisers know him, 'cause he's been out here, doing it, while others watch TV. Some people might think that's too bad, but I think it's really neat.

Everything changes, and overpopulation affects everything.

Ann

What I hate to see is self-absorbed people - who think the local people around them must be impressed by the figure they cut, and their sophistication and 1st world wealth. Imagine how we would feel if we had strangers coming to our country with that attitude. Much less showing no respect for the locals' resources.
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This is your classless society brought to you by cheap travel. We exchange our citizens that have no class for your citizens that have no class.
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People of various cultures will get very upset at being photographed without having given permission. Tourists in Morocco, for example, generally don't make that mistake twice, lest they get their equipment and dignity smashed.
There may be folk too polite to say anything, but in my experience most make their fury known quick enough.
While I agree with showing respect and not filming people without their permission as IMHO it’s the right thing to do, if someone goes physical with me or mine, especially in a foreign area, it’s full aggression at that point until they stand down or don’t pose a threat. I always wanted to go to Morocco, and that kinda bums me out, are the people there really that dumb as to attack others because they got on a few frames of someone tourists silly home video?

As for the OPs question, I don’t think it’s that big of a thing. Actually ran into some youtubers a week or so ago, which was a first for me, they weren’t filming every little thing or getting all up in my face with cameras and stuff, seemed pretty respectful and all, but I’m sure they come in all varieties just like everyone else.
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While I agree with showing respect and not filming people without their permission as IMHO itís the right thing to do, if someone goes physical with me or mine, especially in a foreign area, itís full aggression at that point until they stand down or donít pose a threat. .
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Sorry, but thatís the safest option, I donít know some random local, I donít know if heís on drugs, has a mental issue, etc. Leaving yourself to a street thugs intentions is a fools errand, go watch the discovery channel, scientifically proven statement right there.

Itís really not hard to keep your hands to yourself, Iíve met all sorts of rude or otherwise annoying people, Iíve only gone physical when someone else opened that door, attacking someone because they took your photo is straight mental
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Sorry, but thatís the safest option,

No, the safest option is to not do silly sh1te that'll upset the locals.
Educate yourself somewhat about country, culture, does and don'ts before arrival
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