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Old 01-01-2020, 03:41   #1
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Notarizing a Bill of Sale

I recently purchased a boat and was not sure if I would be registering it in my home country (USA), the country I permanently live in (Taiwan) or elsewhere. I did a lot of research and decided USA was my best bet for simplicity.

The owner and I filled out a Bill of Sale he received from the broker in Philippines (where we made the sale). We signed it with two witnesses present.

I have now unregistered the boat from an EU country and am moving forward.

When submitting my paperwork to the USCG, it says I need a Bill of Sale notarized with our signatures. Now, the owner is back in Europe and I am in east Asia.

Can I submit my current Bill of Sale? I really don't want to spend thousands to fly across the world for a signature. Is there any other way? Must I use the US government's BoS?

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Old 01-01-2020, 03:51   #2
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For the definitive answer, call the USCG. They are quite helpful for tricky situations. I was unable to meet similar requirements due to distance and they bent the rules. Quite nice people and no time on hold.
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Old 01-01-2020, 03:59   #3
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That sounds promising, I will give them a call.

Thanks a lot!
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Re: Notarizing a Bill of Sale

I had a similar situation. Boat in Croatia, owner in Germany, myself in Hong Kong. Where is the previous owner domiciled in Europe? If by any chance Germany, it can all be done „remotely“
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Re: Notarizing a Bill of Sale

You might be able to use Docusign with a notary present for both the buyer and seller. Docusign is an internet based platform for signing legal documents. We have used it in the past for other transactions and it meets the legal requirements of the USA.



https://www.docusign.com/products/enotary


https://support.docusign.com/en/guid...ng-with-notary
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Re: Notarizing a Bill of Sale

The boat doesn't have to be documented with the CG; you might be able to register it with your state of domicile, usually the DMV just like your car. Check with them to see if a notary is required.
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If the boat is in international waters It is required to be USCG documented. They should accept a sworn affidavit that is notarized. which stated the reason the bill of sale was not notarized. That is what I had to do for my Canadian documented boat.
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If the boat is in international waters It is required to be USCG documented. They should accept a sworn affidavit that is notarized. which stated the reason the bill of sale was not notarized. That is what I had to do for my Canadian documented boat.
I really don’t think so.
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Re: Notarizing a Bill of Sale

Check to see if previous owner is country that has apostle service.
The USCG will accept it.
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Don't think the buyer signs the coast guard Bill of sale if I rememer the notary certifies the sellers signature.. Call the coast guard doc center. It is the best government agency I have ever dealt with
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Re: Notarizing a Bill of Sale

You need a BOS on USCG Form CG-1340 notarized to DOCUMENT a vessel as US Flagged (not "register" which in the US is a state function).

You should also provide a so-called "Builders Certificate" aka, an MSO or Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin. Boats built in some countries (like South Africa) are import duty exempt in the US.
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If the boat is in international waters It is required to be USCG documented. They should accept a sworn affidavit that is notarized. which stated the reason the bill of sale was not notarized. That is what I had to do for my Canadian documented boat.
Not true, non-documented vessels can operate anywhere. International means "international" and not subject to local laws but I wouldn't fly the Skull & Cross Bones. It certainly is desirable for many reasons to be US flagged in any waters even. or especially in US waters.
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Re: Notarizing a Bill of Sale

FWIW we bought our boat from a European couple, all a long-distance transaction. We completed a CG1340 bill of sale and e-mailed it to the owners. They printed it, took it to a notary in Germany, and signed/notarized the bill of sale. They then mailed the original back to us. We submitted it with our documentation package and USCG accepted it without any questions. YMMV.
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I bought my boat in Malta, the seller was in Holland. There is a
treaty covering universal acceptance of Notary stamp. Other countries have different names for the process. Admonishment, or Apostille. The Hague Apostille country list will give you the best answer of whether the Philippines or where ever the BOS is. https://www.gsccca.org/notary-and-ap...e-country-list

Now regarding the USCG documentation center. First off you do not need an agent to do this, but you need to have your paper is good order. I suggest using the credit card form instead of sending a check. In your cover letter you might want to remind the corpsman that the Apostille treaty exists and its a good as a US Notary.
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