View Poll Results: Delivery Crew Pays?
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I think crew are worth paying for to ensure the safe passage of my vessel.
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65.00% |
I think crew should pay me to come on my boat, I am worth it.
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3.33% |
My case is a real hardship
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1.67% |
Give it up Delancey!
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30.00% |
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20-02-2015, 07:20
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#31
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tortola
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
Crew who pay are a potential legal minefield, particularly on a US flagged boat, not to mention the effect it would have on your insurance policy (and there may be something written about that in the very small print....) Tony
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20-02-2015, 07:32
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#32
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Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,604
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
My response is basically the same as it is on the other thread. As far as I know there is no law against asking crew to pay same as there is no law against crew volunteering. However, CF has rules that prohibit doing so. Obviously it's a rule that is maybe only selectively enforced. But it's a rule and it exists for a reason.
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20-02-2015, 07:40
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#33
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Homer, AK is my home port
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
It is a dilemma. I would opt for what is fair. If I am going from point A to point B and I am being asked to provide the ride, I would first determine if the individual is compatible, dependable, knowledgeable, if those are true then I would be inclined to provide food and a bunk. If I am going for a commercial fishing trip then, the crew aboard is being paid a share of the net profit, after food, fuel, and bait is paid. Back packer on the dock coming along for the ride, probably still feed them, but will expect them to help with the upkeep and duties on the vessel. International voyage, they would have to put up their own bond for return airfare.
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20-02-2015, 07:45
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#34
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Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,778
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
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Originally Posted by bvimatelot
Crew who pay are a potential legal minefield, particularly on a US flagged boat, not to mention the effect it would have on your insurance policy (and there may be something written about that in the very small print....) Tony
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I can't think of any advantage to flagging your boat out of the US if you plan on making a small profit off of Hippy Hauling.
Shipping companies carrying real cargoes like iron ore and raw sugar go to great lengths to avoid Canadian, US or most European Flags.
I might be drifting the thread a little here though because I'm mixing the line between paying crew and paying passengers.
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20-02-2015, 18:37
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#35
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tortola
Posts: 756
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
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Originally Posted by FamilyVan
I can't think of any advantage to flagging your boat out of the US if you plan on making a small profit off of Hippy Hauling.
Shipping companies carrying real cargoes like iron ore and raw sugar go to great lengths to avoid Canadian, US or most European Flags.
I might be drifting the thread a little here though because I'm mixing the line between paying crew and paying passengers.
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As far as I know, the US CG makes no differentiation between crew and passengers if they are paying. As far as they are concerned, there's no such thing as a crew who pays: he/she is a passenger.
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20-02-2015, 18:47
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#36
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: San Diego
Boat: Pearson 39-2 "Sea Story"
Posts: 1,109
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
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Originally Posted by bvimatelot
As far as I know, the US CG makes no differentiation between crew and passengers if they are paying. As far as they are concerned, there's no such thing as a crew who pays: he/she is a passenger.
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This is my understanding of the regulations as well. As a matter of fact, I am not sure that they make any distinction between crew and passengers at all. They only care about paying, being paid or none of the above.
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20-02-2015, 19:03
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#37
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Florida
Boat: Soverel 30
Posts: 141
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
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Originally Posted by Greenhand
This is my understanding of the regulations as well. As a matter of fact, I am not sure that they make any distinction between crew and passengers at all. They only care about paying, being paid or none of the above.
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And you better have at least a six pack licence if you are charging.
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20-02-2015, 19:07
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#38
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Somewhere in the South Pacific
Boat: Leopard 40 Catamaran
Posts: 243
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
A six pack allows you to operate for hire or reward! ?
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20-02-2015, 19:14
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#39
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Somewhere in the South Pacific
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
So, a few of the boys decide we should go away for a long weekend... Everyone pitches in $100 and I go to the bottle shop, the supermarket, the butchers, and the video shop...
On the way out to Womanless Island, the CG good aboard and gives me a hefty fine for taking $400 in payment?
I don't think so.
Think people! Think!
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20-02-2015, 19:16
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#40
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Florida
Boat: Soverel 30
Posts: 141
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
A six pack uscg license allows you to accept money from passengers/crew legally. And what constitutes as payment can sometimes be interpreted as bringing alcohol/ provisions. You have to be very careful.
It can be construed to be operating a charter without a license. Illegal.
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20-02-2015, 19:41
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#41
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Florida/Alberta
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
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Originally Posted by Wannabe-007
So, a few of the boys decide we should go away for a long weekend... Everyone pitches in $100 and I go to the bottle shop, the supermarket, the butchers, and the video shop...
On the way out to Womanless Island, the CG good aboard and gives me a hefty fine for taking $400 in payment?
I don't think so.
Think people! Think!
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Technically, the answer is yes, you can be fined. People have been, so it is not just theoretical.
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20-02-2015, 19:42
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#42
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Florida
Boat: Soverel 30
Posts: 141
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
Under the new law a passenger for hire is is a passenger for whom consideration is contributed as a condition of carriage on the vessel, whether directly or indirectly flowing to the owner, charterer, agent or any other persons having an interest in the vessel.
http://cs.brown.edu/~jfh/boats/FAQ/node41.html
Voluntary contributions do not count, but if a contribution for food is required as a condition of being on the boat, well its a federal offense if you dont have a license.
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20-02-2015, 20:15
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#44
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: South Florida
Boat: Soverel 30
Posts: 141
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wannabe-007
So, a few of the boys decide we should go away for a long weekend... Everyone pitches in $100 and I go to the bottle shop, the supermarket, the butchers, and the video shop...
On the way out to Womanless Island, the CG good aboard and gives me a hefty fine for taking $400 in payment?
I don't think so.
Think people! Think!
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Does the designated driver have to pitch in for the bottle shop?
which can carry a penalty ranging from $110 to $32,500, depending on the specific violation. IDNR issued separate citations for violations of state laws including the lack of a U.S Coast Guard license. The operator's boat was also confiscated by Chicago Police, as he was operating commercially without appropriate business license requirements.
http://www.professionalmariner.com/W...charter-boats/
That does not even mention the criminal penalties.
Oh and btw bui is illegal too. Think people think.
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20-02-2015, 20:24
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#45
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Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Annapolis MD
Boat: Building a Max Cruise 44 hybrid electric cat
Posts: 3,194
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Re: Delivery Crew Pays?
At the docks in Grand Canary, we were asked non stop if people could sail with us across the Atlantic this year. All offered to pay their own expenses. People are looking to learn and have the experience to sail... why should I pay for their food too?
We sailed just my wife and I. 34' is too small for crew.
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