American invasion of Canada rehearsal

[topmast]

What are the chances of rust belt jobs returning to the disenfranchised now that they have a hero who appreciates a grade10 education ? and is protected from conflict of interest issues. Even the red neck dufuses in central Canada may figure it out in spite of Keystone finally going ahead

[Rigamarole]

The politics have gone pretty deep here but Mike, your a very insightful guy.

[meatservo]

Perhaps we could set up a go fund me account to help repatriate all of the folks that want to leave the U.S.A. for Canada. It's a beautiful country, great people. You should go.

Please let us know how you make out...


meatservo

[Kenomac]

The socialists in the US will be analyzing their resounding defeat last week for the next 16 years. With Canada's economy in the hopper at present and the DOW now 1000 points higher today than where it was last week, I wonder what happens next up north?

[Brob2]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

The socialists in the US will be analyzing their resounding defeat last week for the next 16 years. With Canada's economy in the hopper at present and the DOW now 1000 points higher today than where it was last week, I wonder what happens next up north?

Oil goes up, Keystone XL gets built, Alberta's tarsands start humming again, and Donald's your uncle?

[Whitebread117]

I'll drop this here for lack of anywhere better.

1 Canada isn't easy to get in to - a bit uptight towards tourists, and downright militant against people coming in to work or trying to immigrate from the US. Great people, expensive cities, horrible climate ( for this sun loving southerner), overall I don't see the appeal. But the whole snow thing is a deal breaker for me so I understand it's me not you. And I do work there often so I try to look at both sides equally

2. A couple people have touched on the trade/manufacturing change in progress across North America. Ford specifically has been in the spotlight in the US news. Speaking as an informed outsider, yes all the Ford small car production is going to Mexico. It's leaving Michigan over the next 2 years. However, this upcoming vacancy is being taken over by the revamped Ranger and new Bronco projects which will be made in the US and are much more profitable than compact cars.

Canadians- fwiw the Edge and Flex are both made in the suburbs of Toronto (Oakville to be exact). They are logical next targets to be moved to lower cost manufacturing facilities as the price wars continue and first world countries shift from heavy manufacturing to technology and specialized manufacturing.

[Boatguy30]

Doubt it will take 16 years for TRUMP/ Pence to fall well short of their promises. More like 2-4 years.

If you look at it objectively they are a mirror image of Obama. But I would subjectively add much less talented.

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

The socialists in the US will be analyzing their resounding defeat last week for the next 16 years. With Canada's economy in the hopper at present and the DOW now 1000 points higher today than where it was last week, I wonder what happens next up north?

The only Americans who'll be invading Canada will be those who's "gravey train" will be soon pulling into the station, and they will find themselves looking to climb aboard a new "gravey train."

The tide is changing down here.

[Tetepare]

Originally Posted by topmast

What are the chances of rust belt jobs returning to the disenfranchised now that they have a hero who appreciates a grade10 education ?

That is the promise, and the question.

Typically "rust belt jobs" means auto industry. In the 15 or so years since that industry collapsed the industry methods have changed. Low skill labor will NOT be returning because it has been replaced by computers and robots. I believe that there are many minimally educated/ skill rust belters who are hoping the new regime will provide them with the job daddy had- but it won't.

It's not that auto manufacturers/suppliers couldn't return to Detroit and Buffalo and the rust belt- after all, Toyota, Honda and BMW all have plants in USA (primarily southern states) it's that they won't- at least not until the states get straightened out. This is not something that Trump can easily change, though he might be able to drive new industry/ manufacturing in some rust belt areas.

[Tetepare]

Originally Posted by StuM

Do you mean the people from here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lae

You're probably correct.

Yeah, Lae. I guess you know it. Probably a toss-up between Lae and Moresby though even that's relative- a friend from Bougainville thought Lae wasn't that bad, just have to watch the raskols.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Tetepare

That is the promise, and the question.

Typically "rust belt jobs" means auto industry. In the 15 or so years since that industry collapsed the industry methods have changed. Low skill labor will NOT be returning because it has been replaced by computers and robots. I believe that there are many minimally educated/ skill rust belters who are hoping the new regime will provide them with the job daddy had- but it won't.

It's not that auto manufacturers/suppliers couldn't return to Detroit and Buffalo and the rust belt- after all, Toyota, Honda and BMW all have plants in USA (primarily southern states) it's that they won't- at least not until the states get straightened out. This is not something that Trump can easily change, though he might be able to drive new industry/ manufacturing in some rust belt areas.

Indeed.
➥ Gone for good: Why Trump’s jobs promise will fall flat - The Globe and Mail

[Rigamarole]

Originally Posted by Tetepare

In the 15 or so years since that industry collapsed the industry methods have changed. Low skill labor will NOT be returning because it has been replaced by computers and robots. I believe that there are many minimally educated/ skill rust belters who are hoping the new regime will provide them with the job daddy had- but it won't.

It's not that auto manufacturers/suppliers couldn't return to Detroit and Buffalo and the rust belt- after all, Toyota, Honda and BMW all have plants in USA (primarily southern states) it's that they won't- at least not until the states get straightened out. This is not something that Trump can easily change, though he might be able to drive new industry/ manufacturing in some rust belt areas.

I live in Michigan and can definitely say the auto industry collapsed more like 30 years ago.

[Macblaze]

I'm not so left or so right that I think the system — or systems if we are speaking generically of Western world politics — is in any danger; they've been designed to weather the storms of a redneck America or a socialist Alberta. It's the ignorance and inherent laziness of people that scares me; While I welcome Americans who want to try a lifestyle that includes 40° below (celsius or fahrenheit) as a normal fact-of-life, I truly believe they need to stay the course, educate themselves and fight for their own values. whatever they are.

We all just need to get our heads out of our asses and work: to build consensus, educate ourselves and our neighbours, and put our brains to work, rather than hiding behind simplistic ideas of "right" and "wrong." A quote out of a recent CBC article encapsulates the sort of dangerous "smug" assumptions voters make:

Despite what many smug Canadians would like to believe, there are those among us who, for example, worry about proper screening at the border, or about integration among new immigrants — there are even those who use the phrase "left-wing elite" non-ironically.

Anyone naive enough to believe we don't have Trump-like people here in Canada is just as dangerous as someone who thinks a "Canadian Values Test" will keep out any but the most honest of applicants.

I don't care if you are pro-gun or antigun, a rabid Rocna fan or a Delta devotee, just because you think everyone else is an idiot and should just bugger off doesn't mean that it's ever going to happen. And frankly that belief is more destructive than a hundred Trumps.
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But weren't we talking about American beer?

[fryewe]

I like Trump. Funny guy.

I like Canadians. Funny people.

I like beer.

I like sailing.

"Why can't we all just get along?" - Rodney King...

Be skeptical of people whose livelihoods and power depend on controversy or conflict.

Trump's doesn't.

And he bounced all the lobbyists off his transition teams.

Don't worry. Be happy.

[Tetepare]

Originally Posted by fryewe

Be skeptical of people whose livelihoods and power depend on controversy or conflict.

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True words. If you want to know why something is the way it is, or why something is happening, follow the money trail.

How does this relate to boating or Canada?

Well, Perry's win on Lake Erie was a financial boon for many Americans (not sure how they Canadian system worked, probably the same.)

Financial? Absolutely. On the big scale, it enabled the escalation of production by both Chaucey and Yeo. This of course has trickle-down economic benefits (obviously) but there was much more to it: pursers got a commission on every check they wrote. The more you buy, the more money the pursers personally (and legally) received- now that's my kind of job!

US Officers were paid extra for goods taken from Canadian stores, and particularly ships. Thus it was better to take a Canadian ship than blow it to bits. At least one war vessel on Lake Ontario traded hands twice.

Both Chaucey and Yeo have been painted as escalating a stalemate; in fact (at least in the case of Chaucey and his men) destroying the British fleet wouldn't have significant financial gain, whereas sacking York did. Better to grab and run than destroy. Based on the behavior of Yeo, it would appear their financial reward system worked similarly.

So why the escalation of production of more and bigger warships? I believe it wasn't to destroy the enemy or invade Canada (despite that being the goal on its face), it was so US Navy (and probably Brits as well) officers' personal profits were maximized.