Why do people pay for somebody else's fun?

[Hardhead]

Originally Posted by Augi

Yes, I don't get where all the hate comes from on this topic. It never crossed my mind. If you don't like, don't watch and / or don't give. Or watch and give. Who cares? Those who give obviously get utility from the watching and giving or they would not watch and / or give.

If a youtuber can get enough people to give so they can sail the world and live on a $750K Cat. It does not bother me a bit.

The most interesting part of the hate, is you have to watch it to hate it. It looks to me like a lot of people are either watching something they hate and continue to watch it in order to continue to think about so they can write negative things about something they say they hate. I guess some people like to hate, or like to pretend to others they hate in order to get some kind of psychic return.

I watch a few of the sailing youtubers on occasion, but don't give. Some of it is pretty good entertainment about things I love: sailing, independence, freedom, self sufficiency, nature, the sea, weather, different cultures, travel, managing risk. If there is something I don't like I don't watch.

I wouldn't say hate, but would term it as being disturbed. I've seen several YT sailors, Emerald Steel as an example, that really seem to pass on good advice, and years of wisdom. However, many of these YT sailing videos aren't really providing a high learning experience, but much more so a voyeuristic experience. The only thing about that which is troubling to me, is that people actually do send money, and thereby decrease their own chances of doing something they seem to aspire to. It seems to imply a sucker/beggar cycle is growing in the culture, which is distasteful to those who aren't actually even involved.

I know the counter-argument is that it is just entertainment, and akin to paying for cable television. Cruising/sailing is something that can provide a real life experience, calamity, joy and personal development, instead of just watching. In a theoretical, but also in real way, a person is decreasing their ability to obtain their own real experiences, to voyeuristically watch those that do. I don't dwell on these things, and certainly believe YT sailors have every legal and ethical right to do whatever they want. But anyway, that is what crosses my mind personally when these topics are brought up for discussion. Thankfully, we all live in freedom to do as we wish, and whatever makes you happy is good for the most part. Success to everyone.

[Group9]

Originally Posted by Augi

If there is something I don't like I don't watch.

That does seem like the simplest solution. I don't know why it eludes so many.

[kmacdonald]

Originally Posted by Group9

That does seem like the simplest solution. I don't know why it eludes so many.

Control freaks. If they don't like it, no one should.

As far as getting good advice from some of these YT'ers, I think there are better resources. Sure, there are some good ones but for the most part a lot of what I see them doing is not good. Poor materials, workmanship, design. Most are learning as they go. One had a prop shaft that kept coming off. They or any of their followers know why yet. Pretty simple but comical to watch.

[Valmika]

Originally Posted by B_Hunter45

Sorry for the spelling, the type ahead does that sometimes and the phone small screen doesn't help much.
All i wanted was to understand why people support others and why one would take such an approach to start cruising.
Thanks

Sorry you misunderstood. Actually my fault the way I put it. I did actually think there may be some new jargon I hadn't heard of called "bagging" as in maybe bagging money or something.

[alaskaflyfish]

What is interesting is the amount of base emotion directed to the people who financially support these people as well as the producer of the video. But then again, anger/hate is a very powerful emotion that makes people feel important and powerful. Maybe hating is just another form of enjoyment? If it is then you should morally support their product since you got something out of it. Think about that for awhile.

[Mendana]

To all the ney-sayers out there...I don't think you get the point of these vloggers and why people will pay to watch their movies.... It's just entertainment-plain and simple!
Some people will pay to watch movies on Netflix or Stan. Others see this as meaningless garbage. That's what makes us all different. its a free market and as long as there is one out there, people will continue to innovate and find new ways to make a living...Good on them I say! The successful ones are taking risks and enjoying the fruits of their entrepreneurialism.

...Giving the opportunity for some of us to enjoy the entertainment...Others can simply do something else.

[Group9]

Originally Posted by Mendana

To all the ney-sayers out there...I don't think you get the point of these vloggers and why people will pay to watch their movies.... It's just entertainment-plain and simple!
Some people will pay to watch movies on Netflix or Stan. Others see this as meaningless garbage. That's what makes us all different. its a free market and as long as there is one out there, people will continue to innovate and find new ways to make a living...Good on them I say! The successful ones are taking risks and enjoying the fruits of their entrepreneurialism.

...Giving the opportunity for some of us to enjoy the entertainment...Others can simply do something else.

It's the new thing. The "I don't want to only control what I see and do and think; I want to control what you see and do and think" mentality. Why? I guess only a psychologist could answer that one.

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by Group9

It's the new thing. The "I don't want to only control what I see and do and think; I want to control what you see and do and think" mentality. Why? I guess only a psychologist could answer that one.

Maybe the same shrink could also explain the backlash I’d experience from most of the forum members on here if I decided to start begging for money.

It’s not going to happen.

[alaskaflyfish]

Trying to degrade the term "donation" into "begging" is not helping your argument. Most people see thru that tactic.

[ShellBack89]

Originally Posted by tarian

I think it is the way that some of the vloggers try and manipulate shots and always have their girlfriend in a bikini shot on their title.

I watch several Cat cruisers and 1 monohull cruiser (most seem to be either from Canada or Texas not sure why. 1 from FL and 1 from CA) and none of them do the bikini shots, at least not intentionally. These are mostly younger couples and I applaud the guys for showing respect to their ladies. A couple of the vloggers made fun of the bikini sales women but they blurred their girls out when they did it.



It's entertainment and there isn't one vlogger that doesn't allow for the free showing on youtube.



It's funny Sailing Zatara made a joke about giving money to pay for cruising and in return he'd show his stuff. He took so much crap for it. Your damned if you do and your damned if you don't. For those of us that give a few dollars who's it hurting? except the horse....

Originally Posted by Valmika

Hey Kenomac, Classy of you not to name the culprit but you really have my curiosity up. I don't supposed you would PM the name? Id really like to look them up. (bored today) Thanks

Too funny.....I was thinking the same thing. I know it isn't anyone I watch since I get more Viagra spam/coupons (same thing right?) than I do spam from VLOGers.

[Dranflydbl]

There are a couple of people I often watch because they are interesting and I have learned a thing or two from both their mistakes and their solutions. A little bit like aviators reading the "crash comics" (accident reports) to avoid making the same mistakes. As for yuppies with little to share that is helpful - forget it!

[Allied39]

I couldn't watch it, painfully inept. So I did not even hear an ask for money, which they would not have received anyway.
I can't fault anyone giving them money, it's not my place to control how others spend their money, and visa versa. I can find it humorous, and I do, but thats just me.
What I do find interesting.....and laughable ( I have been told thats bad of me...oh well) is some of the comments on the other thread on CF about these folks.

[Kenomac]

Originally Posted by alaskaflyfish

Trying to degrade the term "donation" into "begging" is not helping your argument. Most people see thru that tactic.

Then please explain the difference between asking a stranger for a monitary donation to benefit one’s self to be used in any way one wishes.... and begging.

The New Oxford American Dictionary sees the two as one in the same.

[ShellBack89]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Then please explain the difference between asking a stranger for a monitary donation to benefit one’s self to be used in any way one wishes.... and begging.

The New Oxford American Dictionary sees the two as one in the same.

The easiest way is the guy standing on an off ramp to a freeway holding a sign that's asking for money. He/she has done nothing to deserve anything other than me shaking my head in disbelief.

That same person is playing a guitar on a sidewalk and playing some nice music. He/she has a sign that says donations welcome. I stand there and listen shaking my head to the music and toss a few dollars in his/her guitar case.

Same person but one has done nothing and the other provided entertainment. These vloggers are providing that same entertainment that me and others feel they deserve some monetary reward.


You could be standing right next to me listening to the same music but you decided that he/she doesn't deserve any money. That's cool. Your prerogative. You still enjoyed the music.


It's the same thing. You get to watch for free on youtube and we chose to provide some money for their labor.

[alaskaflyfish]

Originally Posted by Kenomac

Then please explain the difference between asking a stranger for a monitary donation to benefit one’s self to be used in any way one wishes.... and begging.

The New Oxford American Dictionary sees the two as one in the same.

Here, I will make it easy for you. The DIFFERENCE is as follows:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/donate
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/beg
Busted! Did you not think I would look it up?