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Old 23-02-2021, 16:59   #46
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Rule 15 only happens between two PDVs, because that's all that's described in that rule. However any type of vessel can be in a "crossing situation" - how else would you describe a situation where two vessels are converging from roughly perpendicular courses?
I don’t disagree with you. You might also have a horn on your boat you use to make sound signals. But the rules say that horn is called a whistle. They also say that a crossing situation involves two PDVs. But sure, if you want to expand the rules to cover things not in there, no one will stop you.
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Another Tricky question

A fishing vessel is at anchor in the fog what sound signals do they use?
a. Rapidly ring a bell for 5 seconds because it is at anchor.
b. Rapidly ring a bell for 5 seconds and one prolonged blasts followed by 2 short blasts because it is both at anchor and a fishing boat.
c. one prolonged blasts followed by 2 short blasts because it is a fishing boat
d. Sound a gong.
Let's make that question a bit easier with a hint directed for the sailors of the CruiserForum:

The same sounds as a sailing vessel, at intervals of not more than 2 minutes.

Just saying.
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Old 23-02-2021, 17:04   #48
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What about the pecking order?
The order is from top to bottom.
Overtaken
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You forgot one...
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Old 23-02-2021, 17:04   #49
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Everyone I did a poor job in writing the question.
Please lets not argue about something that was written poorly.
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See post 33 for your answer.

Thanks for taking this thread in the spirit is was intended.
Having a fun and interesting discussion.
Simply, if the question didn't say a vessel is displaying lights or shapes, it isn't. Thinking it might be is making an assumption. Don't do that.
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Let's make that question a bit easier with a hint directed for the sailors of the CruiserForum:

The same sounds as a sailing vessel, at intervals of not more than 2 minutes.

Just saying.
A Sailing Vessel or a Sailing vessel at anchor?
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Well not "any type of vessel" can be in a "crossing situation" or a "head-on situation" as specifically only two power driven vessels can ever be in such situations.
Don't be ridiculous. Do you think a fishing vessel can't be in a crossing situation with another fishing vessel, because it's not mentioned in rule 15? "Crossing situation" describes the geometry between two vessels. The actions prescribed by rule 15 only apply between two power-driven vessels.
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A Sailing Vessel or a Sailing vessel at anchor?
Oh you are being coy.

To clarify further, my hint regarding the required sound signal - a sailing vessel, in or near an area of restricted visibility, whether by day or night, [regardless of whether being underway or at anchor].

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All of this is why one should attend a school. Preferably classroom, but online is ok if you can't attend in person. Anybody can walk in to USCG exam center and fail the test as often as they wish. (That's the sales pitch.) No way to know what trick questions you will see. The schools have to use real USCG questions or their own that read the same, but we get to choose them. We have to put in some tricky ones, but we know what they are and we make sure the student knows the tricks. I taught the class back before USCG authorized the schools to give the exams. We prepped the students to take the exams with the Coast Guard. That was a lot harder.
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Don't be ridiculous. Do you think a fishing vessel can't be in a crossing situation with another fishing vessel, because it's not mentioned in rule 15? "Crossing situation" describes the geometry between two vessels. The actions prescribed by rule 15 only apply between two power-driven vessels.

... because the actions for one or more of the vessels being “sailing vessels” are covered by other rules.
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I don’t disagree with you. You might also have a horn on your boat you use to make sound signals. But the rules say that horn is called a whistle. They also say that a crossing situation involves two PDVs. But sure, if you want to expand the rules to cover things not in there, no one will stop you.
"Whistle" is described in the definitions - there is no definition of "crossing situation". Don't get confused by the rule headings, the meat of the rule specifies what particular types of vessels must do. That does not mean that other types of vessels cannot ever be in a situation that the average person would describe as a "crossing".
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Don't be ridiculous. Do you think a fishing vessel can't be in a crossing situation with another fishing vessel, because it's not mentioned in rule 15? "Crossing situation" describes the geometry between two vessels. The actions prescribed by rule 15 only apply between two power-driven vessels.
Interestingly enough, a “vessel engaged in fishing” can be either propelled by sail or machinery. If propelled by machinery, Rule 15 does apply. If by sail, it doesn’t. Rule 18 applies at all times.
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You forgot one...
What did I forget?
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Let's make that question a bit easier with a hint directed for the sailors of the CruiserForum:

The same sounds as a sailing vessel, at intervals of not more than 2 minutes.

Just saying.
Assuming it's not in Inland waters...
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Ha! I didn’t look to hard at the answers and if not told that this is a “trick” question, I probably would have chosen the sailboat as stand on. But I don’t think this is an actual USCG question since I did not find it in the USCG test bank. Graham can correct me if I’m wrong. To me, calling the vessel a sailboat in the context of rules is too confusing. I think USCG would have either called it a “sailing vessel” or a “sailboat under sail. “

This does illustrate how test questions can be confusing, though.
Exactly, I would consider those, poor questions rather than trick questions ....ambiguous in their own form


By the time we got to Command Endorsement levels, we needed to be able to recite the Rules and Annexes verbatim

Oral exams asked us questions about why certain words were used rather than substitutes and if you could quote actual court judgements on key sematical misunderstandings, that got you some bonus points with the examiner.

You could be a bit weak in other areas of training, but knowing the Rules inside out, was mandatory

Best advice I was given when first starting with my watchkeeping mates ticket was to write one rule down longhand every night, memorise it in bed, then dream about it.... Get to the end then start over again.
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