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Old 26-09-2024, 10:11   #16
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Re: Trustworthy agent for Polish registration?

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>> EU and EFTA citizens



Are you sure it's not EEA instead of EFTA ?


EEA = Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway
EFTA = Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland


Could you provide a reference which confirms EFTA ?


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The ICP does not provide nationality for the vessel. The vessel is not allowed to wear the flag of the Netherlands. The vessel is deemed to be Stateless.
The ICP specifically states such on the document. If is only a registration useful for navigating inland waters [canals, rivers, lakes, etc.].. Very limited as to its usefulness.

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https://english.ilent.nl/topics/cert...%20with%20your

https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR00018...-15#BoekTweede




A zeebrief (Certificate of Registry). You can get a Certificate of Registry from the Human Environment and Transport Inspectorate (ILT).

For pleasure craft used only for sports or leisure, not for work or business. It does not apply to vessels that carry commercial cargo or paying passengers.

Why a Certificate of Registry is strongly recommended.

It’s not mandatory to have a Certificate of Registry for pleasure craft sailing at sea. However, having one can help you avoid problems when you’re sailing outside Dutch waters in a pleasure craft that’s registered in the Netherlands.
With the Certificate of Registry, you have:

legal certainty: before you get the Certificate of Registry, your vessel is registered with Kadaster (the Netherlands’ Cadastre, Land Registry and Mapping Agency). This proves that you own the vessel.

proof of nationality: this is like a passport for your vessel. The Certificate of Registry has an official international status. The International Certificate for Pleasure Craft (ICP) does not have this.

right to fly the Dutch flag: the Certificate of Registry is accepted when visiting ports outside the Netherlands and offers protection in emergencies.


Which pleasure craft can get a Certificate of Registry?

To obtain a Certificate of Registry from the ILT, the pleasure craft must meet the nationality requirements of the Netherlands following Article 311 of the Wetboek van Koophandel (Commercial Code, only available in Dutch). A pleasure craft meets the nationality requirements of the Netherlands if:

you, as the owner, have the nationality of a Member State of the European Union (EU), the European Economic Area (EEA) or Switzerland, or have the same rights as EU citizens according to the European Economic Community (ECC) Treaty, and;
you, as the owner, have a residence in the Netherlands where someone is responsible for the vessel and can act quickly in emergencies.
If you, as the owner, have transferred the management of the pleasure craft to a business partnership or company, it meets the nationality requirements of the Netherlands if:

the partnership or company follows the laws of the EU, the EEA or Switzerland, and;
the partnership or company has an office in the Netherlands where someone is responsible for the vessel and can act quickly in emergencies.
The Certificate of Registry is valid as long as you own the vessel and the vessel meets the nationality requirements.
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Old 26-09-2024, 10:28   #17
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FYI.

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwe...land-wil-varen


Proof of ownership of a pleasure craft
Recreational boats on inland and coastal waters
In the Netherlands, it is not mandatory to register the ownership of a pleasure craft. However, there is a registration requirement for fast motorboats. However, in foreign countries, it may be mandatory to prove ownership of the vessel when requested. On the inland and coastal waters of a number of countries, an International Certificate for Pleasurecraft (ICP) is sufficient to prove ownership of the vessel. The Royal Dutch Water Sports Association and the Royal Dutch Motorboat Club publish the ICP. The ICP is accepted in countries that apply United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) Resolution 13. More specifically, the ICP is accepted in the following countries:

Austria;
Belgium;
Croatia;
Czech Republic;
France;
Germany;
Hungary;
Lithuania;
Luxembourg;
Romania;
Serbia;
Slovakia;
the United Kingdom.
Please note: Some countries apply the ICP partially or have specific conditions when applying. For more information, see the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) Working Paper on Inland Waterway Transport. For information or further explanation, you can also contact the Royal Dutch Water Sports Association or the Royal Dutch Motorboat Club.

ICP is not proof of nationality
An ICP is not proof of nationality and registration like the Zeebrief and does not give the right to fly the Dutch flag. Sailing with only an ICP in countries other than those mentioned above is expressly at your own risk. Therefore, take a good look at the requirements of the country in question before you go sailing there.

Pleasure boats at sea
The skipper of a pleasure craft at sea must have sufficient knowledge and skills to sail safely. For example, the skipper must, among other things, International Collision Regulations ColReg know. On the website varendoejesamen.nl you can find the Safety requirements for sailing at sea.

Definition of pleasure craft according to the Ships Act
Recreational craft are vessels that do not carry passengers for remuneration and are used exclusively as pleasure craft. Charter vessels are not pleasure boats.

Letter of Navigation for Pleasure Craft
It is not mandatory for pleasure craft sailing at sea to have a sea certificate. For pleasure craft making international sea voyages, it is advised to apply for a sea letter. The possession of a sea letter ensures:

Legal certainty: the pleasure craft is registered with the Land Registry upon application for a sea letter. This establishes that the vessel is your property;
the right to fly the Dutch flag. This is useful if you want to visit a foreign port or in case of emergencies;
A sea letter is similar to a passport. This will help you avoid problems abroad.
Seagoing vessels that sail commercially are obliged to apply for a sea letter.

Application for a sea letter
You can read on the website of the Human Environment and Transport Inspectorate (ILT) how you can apply for a sea letter for a pleasure craft.
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Old 26-09-2024, 11:46   #18
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you, as the owner, have the nationality of a Member State of the European Union (EU), the European Economic Area (EEA) or Switzerland, or have the same rights as EU citizens according to the European Economic Community (ECC) Treaty, and;
you, as the owner, have a residence in the Netherlands where someone is responsible for the vessel and can act quickly in emergencies.

Is this google translated ? If yes, can you provide the original ?


Again it totally does not make sense that Switzerland is included unless there is some small print ...
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Is this google translated ? If yes, can you provide the original ?


Again it totally does not make sense that Switzerland is included unless there is some small print ...
Go to the Dutch links and one can obtain whatever language one desires with your browser. I utilize American.

One can opt for English if they desire to have odd spellings.



https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR00018...-15#BoekTweede



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1A ship is a Dutch ship if the following requirements are met:

a.The ship is owned by one or more:

1°.natural persons who are nationals of a Member State of the European Union of another State party to the Agreement on European Union, of another State Economic Area, Switzerland or who are treated as EU nationals legislation derived from Community law;

2°.companies which are governed by the law of a Member State of the European Union, of one of the the countries, islands or territories referred to in the second to fifth points of Article 299 paragraph and (c) of the EC Treaty, of another State party to the Agreement on the European Economic Area or Switzerland applicable;

3°.legal persons, other than a company as referred to in point 2°, to which the right to of a Member State of the European Union, of one of the countries, islands or territories, referred to in Article 299(2) to (5) and (6)(c) of the EC Treaty, of another State party to the Agreement on the European Economic Area or Switzerland;

4°.natural persons, companies or legal persons not referred to in 1°, 2°, 3° respectively, who are entitled to the European right of freedom of establishment agreement between the European Union and a third State;

b.the owner has a principal place of business or a secondary establishment in the Netherlands within the meaning of the Trade Register Act 2007;

c.one or more natural persons who have an office in the Netherlands are on behalf of the owner responsible for the ship, the master and the other members of the crew, as well as for the matters related thereto, and in that regard are only or jointly have decision-making powers and powers of representation, and

d.one or more of the natural persons referred to in point (c) or, if prevented from doing so, An alternate shall be available at all times and shall have powers to to be able to act promptly in situations where it is necessary.

2Where a ship is owned by a natural person who is also the master of the that ship, that ship is a Dutch ship if the first paragraph is complied with, (a)(1) or (4) and (b) and (b) and there is a shore in the Netherlands representative of that owner who is constantly contactable and has access to the powers to act without delay in situations where it is necessary to do so. is.

3In the event that the owner transfers responsibility for the management of his ship to a company as referred to in paragraph 1(a)(2) or (a)(2) (4) and the management of that ship is carried out on behalf of the owner, that ship shall be a Dutch ship if that company meets the requirements referred to in the first paragraph, parts b to d. In that case, the owner does not have to comply with the first paragraph, parts b to d. If the owner does not comply In the first paragraph, part b, he chooses an address for service at the office of the establishment in the Netherlands of the company to which management has been transferred.

4A ship which is used exclusively for the purposes of a profession or business other than in the course of is a Dutch ship if the first paragraph, part of the (a)(1), (3) or (4) and there is a natural person ashore in the Netherlands with sufficient authority from the owner to be able to act promptly in situations where the in which it is imperative.
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Old 26-09-2024, 12:10   #20
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Thanks a lot ! ... just hilarious where this stuff is hidden ... :-)
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Thanks a lot ! ... just hilarious where this stuff is hidden ... :-)
One can usually find anything on the internet as it typically found on the last page of the World Wide Web.


www.lastpage.com

Or one can just query AOL.com using dial up service.
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I have signed a contract on a sailboat and now I need to find a place to register it. I will be sailing in the Pacific.

Poland seems to be the least hassle and okay priced. But there are so many different agents / sites.
Can anyone recommend a company that you or someone else used for the Polish registration?
I used this agent https://www.polishyachtflag.com/ to register my boat. I think it was 469 eur for flag registration and also MSSI licence. Flag is without expiration, MSSI licence is for 10 years. There are no extra yearly costs. Everything was done remotely. There could be some differences for larger boats (more than 15m) and boats used for commercial purposes. Process was very easy except for MSSI licence - there you would need to specify all devices you plan to have on board - exact model of AIS, radar etc.
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I used this agent https://www.polishyachtflag.com/ to register my boat. I think it was 469 eur for flag registration and also MSSI licence. Flag is without expiration, MSSI licence is for 10 years. There are no extra yearly costs. Everything was done remotely. There could be some differences for larger boats (more than 15m) and boats used for commercial purposes. Process was very easy except for MSSI licence - there you would need to specify all devices you plan to have on board - exact model of AIS, radar etc.

What if your radio has to be replaced ... or you add an EPIRB much later ?!
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I would presume it's the same as other nations, notify the issueing agency of any add ons or mods.
Can't see one having to get a new MMSI everytime one upgrades..
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I would presume it's the same as other nations, notify the issueing agency of any add ons or mods.
Can't see one having to get a new MMSI everytime one upgrades..

So if you add 2nd radio, 3rd radio ... you inform the agency ... sure.
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So if you add 2nd radio, 3rd radio ... you inform the agency ... sure.
If you get a second EPIRB yes.. but if you wanna get silly..
Fill yer boots.
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With some countries there are exceptions..
If you have more than one DSC Radio on your vessel, they should each have the same MMSI number. However in the UK, any handheld DSC radio such as the IC-M94DE should be separately licensed and have its own MMSI number.
Also I belive a new ships radio with integrated AIS.
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With some countries there are exceptions..
If you have more than one DSC Radio on your vessel, they should each have the same MMSI number. However in the UK, any handheld DSC radio such as the IC-M94DE should be separately licensed and have its own MMSI number.
Also I belive a new ships radio with integrated AIS.

I HAD my boat in UK Part 1 and MMSI from Ofcom.


Everything had the same MMSI. Just needed check EPIRB obviously - if this start to ring ...


So 2 fixed and 1 mobile radio - did not have to mention them.
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I'm just quoting (C & P) the print.. the IC-M94DE is the handheld vhf/ais unit.
Maybe things have changed since you HAD your boat.
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I'm just quoting (C & P) the print.. the IC-M94DE is the handheld vhf/ais unit.
Maybe things have changed since you HAD your boat.

Jesus Christ ... you don't have more cash for a decent AIS unit ? ...


If I search for a new registration, obviously I still have my plastic tub. With a decent 16'' Raymarine MFD ... and AIS receiver.
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