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25-05-2018, 15:02
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
If the Asian training and safety standards are adapted by the US, that means those crews will no longer know how to keep a proper watch, and those workers in a less safe environment. I don't want that.
For the Aussies here, read the results of the inquiry into Jessica Watson's collision with the Chinese ship. For the Americans, look at the two destroyer collisions from last year.
Australian, British and American professional sailors are the best in the world. I sure hope America doesn't toss that away.
Ann
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25-05-2018, 15:26
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by wtmf
Also Trump should have Nikki Haley inform the countries of the world that all American vessels are sovereign and the captain and crew are within their rights to defend themselves from pirates using firearms and that those forearms will stay on the vessel so the host country is not threatened to be overthrown.
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Absolutely! Well spoken Captain.
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25-05-2018, 15:48
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by JPA Cate
If the Asian training and safety standards are adapted by the US, that means those crews will no longer know how to keep a proper watch, and those workers in a less safe environment. I don't want that.
For the Aussies here, read the results of the inquiry into Jessica Watson's collision with the Chinese ship. For the Americans, look at the two destroyer collisions from last year.
Australian, British and American professional sailors are the best in the world. I sure hope America doesn't toss that away.
Ann
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Ann,
I don't know. US requirements for crew may be antiquated. The technology has change so dramatically. I've oiled on a 90' tug summers while going to school. Even then there was really no need for an oiler. That dated to the steam boat era. They did do away with that and even an engineer for a harbor tug. Everything is so automated today who knows. I would not suggest eliminating a pair of qualified eyeballs on the Bridge. I'm not for fly by wire.
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25-05-2018, 15:48
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Trump looking to simplify regulations
You know Ann, from just listening and talking to a few freighters off the coast of Fl. I think that by far the most are crewed by Asians, and I believe Asian registered, so at least in the US, we already have their safety and training standards in US waters.
I would imagine in my ignorance that Insurence would dictate the level of training and safety equipment. I know it does in the Aviation world.
Sure you may can fly that complicated turbine legally with just a Pvt Pilots license, but try to get Insurence with only that level of training.
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25-05-2018, 17:10
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by wtmf
The SHERIFF is the ONLY lawful police authority in the county because he is ELECTED. When someone works security for a corporation they are Rent-a-cops. Last I knew ALL municipalities are incorporated making all these rent-a-cops traitors for violating the Constitution. AND when was the last time they had jurisdiction, The law requires proof of jurisdiction to appear on the record of the administrative agency and all administration proceedings,” Hagans v. Lavine, 415 U.S. 533 ? Which makes ANY stop unlawful, meaning kid napping, aggravated assault, impersonating a peace office, declaration of an emergency when none exists, criminal threatening and fraud for using tax payers dollars for person gain.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wtmf
Also Trump should have Nikki Haley inform the countries of the world that all American vessels are sovereign and the captain and crew are within their rights to defend themselves from pirates using firearms and that those forearms will stay on the vessel so the host country is not threatened to be overthrown.
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These are a joke, aren't they?
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25-05-2018, 17:13
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by Uncle Bob
These are a joke, aren't they? 
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Ya can never tell with our stateside cousins
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25-05-2018, 17:34
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by 01kiwijohn
I suspect that their emphasis will be on the myriad of overlapping and redundant regulations concerning commercial traffic but, having said that, I hope they do expend some effort on these local, on the water, "enforcement" agencies. Oftentimes well meaning, but incompetent, operators attempting to justify the expenditure of public funds on an ostentatious patrol boat of some type, long lusted after by the head of such agencies.
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You can dream...
Actually the legislation will have something to do with blazers and ascots. Just a hunch.
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25-05-2018, 17:54
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by wtmf
The SHERIFF is the ONLY lawful police authority in the county because he is ELECTED. When someone works security for a corporation they are Rent-a-cops. Last I knew ALL municipalities are incorporated making all these rent-a-cops traitors for violating the Constitution. AND when was the last time they had jurisdiction, The law requires proof of jurisdiction to appear on the record of the administrative agency and all administration proceedings,” Hagans v. Lavine, 415 U.S. 533 ? Which makes ANY stop unlawful, meaning kid napping, aggravated assault, impersonating a peace office, declaration of an emergency when none exists, criminal threatening and fraud for using tax payers dollars for person gain.
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Oh, we have a Sovereign Citizen among our group. You can go on YouTube and see the success they are having driving without drivers licenses. They have done wonders for the drivers side window business.
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25-05-2018, 18:56
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by Seymore
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USCG on Lake Ontario is useless. Twice I’ve had to out and save a boat when they were too pussy to do so. Sodus USCG only operates in summer when they are not needed, harassing boaters. Border Patrol are also useless over funded joyriders. Local cops are of more value. If I had to pick one entity to patrol it would be the fire department.
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25-05-2018, 19:26
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
I would guess that security and crew training is an afterthought. I bet some of the regulations that the ship owners want to get rid of are:
1) Allow high sulphur. high pollutant bunker fuel again. Just four panamax size ships emit as much Sulphur Dioxide and Nitrous Oxide as all of the worlds automobiles.
2) Let ships continue to dump bilge water with oil in it. Wink at "magic pipes"
3) Let them go full speed in whale migration areas
4) Use tin and other dangerous antifouling paints.
5) Allow old design, unsafe ships (like single hull tankers) to keep operating.
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25-05-2018, 19:50
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by Caribbeachbum
I had a friend who honestly believed that Obama was the anti-christ, and his election was the start of the end times. I tried to tell her that the anti-christ was hanging out and doing tequila shots with santa claus, but she said santa claus wasn't real. Go figure...
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That wan'st the anti-christ. That was me. But I'd had a rough day.
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25-05-2018, 20:01
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by JPA Cate
If the Asian training and safety standards are adapted by the US, that means those crews will no longer know how to keep a proper watch, and those workers in a less safe environment. I don't want that.
For the Aussies here, read the results of the inquiry into Jessica Watson's collision with the Chinese ship. For the Americans, look at the two destroyer collisions from last year.
Australian, British and American professional sailors are the best in the world. I sure hope America doesn't toss that away.
Ann
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Kiwi AB's would have been once included in that list. Not any more. De-regulated in the mid 80's, in the face of intense industrial action by Seamen and Wharfies. De-regulation won. Shipping costs probably went down/didn't increase. Extremely few kiwi seamen now. Quite a few significant marine accidents given the small size of the country.
That may be a fair example of how it can finish.
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25-05-2018, 20:50
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by 01kiwijohn
I suspect that their emphasis will be on the myriad of overlapping and redundant regulations concerning commercial traffic but, having said that, I hope they do expend some effort on these local, on the water, "enforcement" agencies. Oftentimes well meaning, but incompetent, operators attempting to justify the expenditure of public funds on an ostentatious patrol boat of some type, long lusted after by the head of such agencies.
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Well said, 01kiwijohn.
All right, everybody. STOP POSTING HERE RIGHT NOW and START WRITING A LETTER to the White House’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, citing their Request for Information, and explaining why they should ban local enforcement officers from federal waters, in favour of USCG patrols.
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25-05-2018, 20:55
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by ArmyDaveNY
I second this. Here in the NYC/Hudson River area we have numerous policing agencies that collected a lot of "anti-terror" money. They bought patrol boats to cruise up and down their little section of waterfront. They never stop to ask if we've seen anything suspicious but they sure do love to stop a family puttering along, minding their own business. They then justify the spending of the "anti-terror" money by showing how many stops they made. One day an acquaintance of mine, with his family, was stopped seven times on a thirty mile trip up the Hudson to go for lunch.
This is not an isolated incident although most people don't get stopped quite that often. Nonetheless, it is a waste of our time and out tax dollars. 
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+ 1, Dave.
All, in your letter, present stuff like this to bolster your viewpoint.
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26-05-2018, 07:39
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Re: Trump looking to simplify regulations
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Originally Posted by wtmf
Also Trump should have Nikki Haley inform the countries of the world that all American vessels are sovereign and the captain and crew are within their rights to defend themselves from pirates using firearms and that those forearms will stay on the vessel so the host country is not threatened to be overthrown.
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Not so sure about having to leave weapons on board. I mean we(US) haven't overthrown a country in a while. It's great fun and all so I think we should consider the next country that needs some democracy. Someplace easy, Monaco perhaps.
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