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18-12-2022, 10:23
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
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I find it strange that they include sailboats. Another reason for turning off the AIS transponder in those areas so that a gust of wind won’t cost us dearly.
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Clearly this is not even worth attention from sailboats. Even if you surf down a wave I don’t think the law is gonna get you. Not in those conditions.
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18-12-2022, 10:26
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
I vote for the whales.
Humanity needs to learn to live in concert with the natural world not in conflict with it.
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26-12-2022, 07:10
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
For crying out loud. Every thing that happens nowadays is due to "climate change". Horsehockey!
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26-12-2022, 08:18
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
Considering that many huge sport fisherman boats have 1/4” plywood hulls, I would think they would sink shortly after hitting a whale (or log, or any number of things!) This speed limit could save human lives, too.
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26-12-2022, 08:27
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
Wow. Would be interesting to see how this will be enforced in a place like Miami. Those knuckleheads with their ego boats with 5 300 horse motors don’t always slow to 10 knots in marked channels much less that far out to sea.
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26-12-2022, 09:02
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
So my 40 ton 58 foot boat is OK at +10? Not unusual for us to be banging 12. I’ve seen 14. -But we’re OK due to length? Who thinks this crap up? -he asked rhetorically.
Our friend on a Shipman 63 frequently runs around 20. Tough to slow down a speed wagon.
Does any of the data suggest sail boat encounters were recorded?
Is there any sort of pinger that would warn off the whales? That would be far more effective if a solution can be found.
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26-12-2022, 09:20
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
I'm looking forward to the seeing the next Newport Bermuda Notice of Race...
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26-12-2022, 15:12
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
Every time a wale dies on a beach, or any other aquatic life it’s the humans fault I posted earlier, “sometimes wales die”, so do dolphins and jellyfish, and horseshoe crabs, and literally all life and when they do it’s very rarely a humans fault.
I’ve crossed a couple of oceans and never saw any garbage patches let alone heaps of it…….unless we are counting sargasso( natural). The last I have read there have been 5 confirmed kills by boats in U.S. waters this year. There are hundreds of square miles of ocean and millions of aquatic life’s in those miles
never let facts or clarity get in the way of virtue signaling legislation and a good story to sell it.
somebody voted for these well intentioned (not really) lawmakers, you know who you are.
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26-12-2022, 17:38
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
One year on the Syd to Hobart Yacht race, yachts had just got chart plotters,
so everyone was following the ruhmb line. We were in the middle of the fleet of 200 yachts. A yacht ahead radioed to say they just hit a whale, then another yacht and another and another etc.
Yep, we hit the whale, I went to the side of my yacht and saw the whale rolling from the impact, very sad.
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27-12-2022, 08:13
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
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31-12-2022, 15:32
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
I think if you re-read the NOAA post you will see that the rule is being changed from 65' to 35' to get the smaller boats to slow down.
This is primarily to assist the Right Whale for which there are about 400 individuals in the world.
Also, the commercial BIG boats are onboard with slowing down.
IF, at the cost for them to slow down, they can do it, then so can the go faster trophy hunter boats slow down. IS a sailfish or similar trophy fish really worth wiping out a species of whale?
Being a trawler owner who doesn't want to get waked by a 'sports'fisherman doing speed to get to the fishing grounds I'm all for the restrictions. IF the customer wants the fish, then the speed boats can go slower out to the fishing spots and spend the night.
400 individuals, think about it.
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31-12-2022, 15:52
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always in motion is the future
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
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Originally Posted by Nepidae
I think if you re-read the NOAA post you will see that the rule is being changed from 65' to 35' to get the smaller boats to slow down.
This is primarily to assist the Right Whale for which there are about 400 individuals in the world.
Also, the commercial BIG boats are onboard with slowing down.
IF, at the cost for them to slow down, they can do it, then so can the go faster trophy hunter boats slow down. IS a sailfish or similar trophy fish really worth wiping out a species of whale?
Being a trawler owner who doesn't want to get waked by a 'sports'fisherman doing speed to get to the fishing grounds I'm all for the restrictions. IF the customer wants the fish, then the speed boats can go slower out to the fishing spots and spend the night.
400 individuals, think about it.
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We’re talking sailboats doing 11kts or more, not motorboats
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01-01-2023, 05:41
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
Geez, I thought you might be looking for some facts, but obviously to some that isn't the case.
My trawler usually cruises at 8mph, well under the proposed speed limit.
The statement made seemed to say that 65' boats were excluded, could have been my reading.
There were also some other points that NOAA made but obviously that's of no interest to some.
Go along your way blithely unaware of the issue.
Have fun.
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01-01-2023, 09:09
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always in motion is the future
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
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Originally Posted by Nepidae
Geez, I thought you might be looking for some facts, but obviously to some that isn't the case.
My trawler usually cruises at 8mph, well under the proposed speed limit.
The statement made seemed to say that 65' boats were excluded, could have been my reading.
There were also some other points that NOAA made but obviously that's of no interest to some.
Go along your way blithely unaware of the issue.
Have fun.
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Being uninformed is one thing, being uninformed but post wrong info anyway is another, especially when in a rude way like you do.
I recommend you read up on the subject before posting.
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01-01-2023, 09:59
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Re: Proposed regulation limit boat speed to 10 knots on East Coast
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Originally Posted by Nepidae
Geez, I thought you might be looking for some facts, but obviously to some that isn't the case.
My trawler usually cruises at 8mph, well under the proposed speed limit.
The statement made seemed to say that 65' boats were excluded, could have been my reading. NOAA is proposing to extend the regulation to now include boats that are 35 feet LOA, instead of the current regulation covering boats that are 65 + feet LOA.
There were also some other points that NOAA made but obviously that's of no interest to some.
Go along your way blithely unaware of the issue.
Have fun.
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