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Old 04-07-2023, 12:13   #1
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HIN vs Certificate of Registration


I want to make an entry for advice on whether a Norway Certificate of Nationality/Registry of the Owner of a Pleasure Craft would be valid as a replacement for the HIN? I understand the HIN is international but the Norwegian certificate may be only local. The boat is in Malaysia which complicates things somewhat. I would like to make the purchase and want to be safe in doing so. Please advise where I should post this entry to get the best readership advice.
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Old 04-07-2023, 12:54   #2
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Re: HIN vs Certificate of Registration

HIN is a number molded or permanently affixed to the hull when the boat is manufactured. Like a VIN on a car, or a serial number. Whatever documentation/registration you have would have the HIN listed on it, and you would inspect the boat to make sure the 2 match. That way you know the paper goes with that boat, and not some other boat.

If the boat is in Malaysia and you are not, then you need to hire someone you trust to survey the boat and identify the HIN on the boat.
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As Wholybee stated the Hull Identification Number or HIN is typically engraved or affixed to the hull. The registry document should state that number also. If you buy the yacht, you should determine if that Norway registration/documentation can be transferred to you or you will have to register/document the yacht in your home or another country.

Also very important is the Bill of Sale must also state the HIN. The Bill of Sale proves transfer of ownership which you will need to register the yacht.
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Old 04-07-2023, 17:43   #4
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Not all boats have HIN's but if you have proof of ownership then you can apply for a HIN in your country of registration.
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Re: HIN vs Certificate of Registration

HIN/MIC is not international. It is a USCG requirement that some countries such as Canada (in 1981) have sign a memorandum of agreement with USCG.

Some non US builders apply HIN/MIC's only to boats they export to the US.

CE built boats have only had mandatory what they call a CIN since 1998 and their format is different (14 characters) from the US (12 characters)

HIN/MIC were not required in the US until 1971 and many boatbuilders did not actively start with them until 72' or 73'.


PS. HIN/MIC = Hull Identification Number / Manufacturers Identification Code
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Old 05-07-2023, 07:41   #6
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Re: HIN vs Certificate of Registration

Aloha:

Boatpoker is absolutely right. Being right is a habit he has :-)!

It is not really "readership advice" you want :-)! What you want is LEGAL advice. I am not a lawyer, so verify what I say with the authorities in your country of domicile/nationality!

What you want is proof of present ownership of the vessel. The Norwegian registration documents will give you the legal owner's name, although not necessarily his present whereabouts. Title to the boat can only pass to you if the documentation of the sale is "executed" (meaning "signed") by the present titleholder, by his properly appointed agent (if he be alive) of by the executor of his estate if he be dead. In this last case the transaction must be completed before the estate is legally "wound up".

PROVIDED you can show proper assumption of title to the boat there will be no difficulty in cancelling the Norwegian registration and having the boat registered in your country of domicile. If you cannot show proper assumption of title you will NOT be able to do those two things.

As the vessel is in Malaysia you need to be very, very careful. If I were in your shoes, I would not proceed without competent representation IN MALAYSIA. You should not IMO proceed on an expectation that Malaysian law, Malaysian commercial practice and Malaysian ethics are identical to the ones to which you are accustomed in your present country of domicile. You should NOT, IMO, give money to anyone representing himself as the owner of the vessel or as agent for the owner until you've tested the legitimacy of such a claim.

Perhaps best to look for a vessel elsewhere?

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Old 05-07-2023, 07:46   #7
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What make and model of boat is it?
You might there is a Facebook owners group.
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Where do you want to register the boat and is it currently on the Norwegian small boats or the ship register?
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Alohastar where is boat in Malaysia - there should be agents or other boat people who can assist - I have a few contacts in Langkawi but others on here are also in the country.

I purchased my boat in Malaysia -it was UK registered at the time and had no issues but did have a proper buy/sell contract issued in UK
Malaysia is a commonwealth country so rule of law is quite good

and my boat does not have a HIN per se but does have manufacturers details on a plate affixed on board so would be used as "identification" if an issue arose. None have

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