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View Poll Results: Do You Hoist a Black Ball at Anchor?
Yes - all the time 88 32.84%
Yes - once in a while 44 16.42%
No - no one does it so why bother 115 42.91%
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Old 04-04-2019, 03:31   #391
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Re: Do you use a Daytime Black ball at Anchor?

There’s a way to let the CG know there is a discrepancy.


AMALGAMATED INTERNATIONAL - U.S. INLAND NAVIGATION RULES
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Re: Do you use a Daytime Black ball at Anchor?

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Link one, the pdf of the book:

óINLANDó Lights and Shapes
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I guess since there have been no changes to Rule 30 since 1981 any difference between the pdf of the hard copy and a transcription is probably just a typo or
unintentional omission.

You are pointing out a change in the US Inland Rules, not COLREGs.


There have been no changes to Rule 30 in COLREGs (the International Rules)!

US can and do make frequent changes to the Inland Rules. I wouldn't have a clue (and don't care) when or why they made such changes since they don't apply anywhere I am likely to sail.
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Re: Do you use a Daytime Black ball at Anchor?

For the number of posts there sure are few voters. That would lead me to believe that few people use the anchor ball and don't want others to know! Big brother watching syndrome?
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For the number of posts there sure are few voters. That would lead me to believe that few people use the anchor ball and don't want others to know! Big brother watching syndrome?

150 votes, less than 400 posts and most poster have made multiple posts. I haven't bothered to count how many individual posters, but it seems as though most will have voted.
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You are pointing out a change in the US Inland Rules, not COLREGs.


There have been no changes to Rule 30 in COLREGs (the International Rules)!

US can and do make frequent changes to the Inland Rules. I wouldn't have a clue (and don't care) when or why they made such changes since they don't apply anywhere I am likely to sail.
Thank you. Good to know.
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Re: Do you use a Daytime Black ball at Anchor?

The US does some weird stuff.

Let's not forget they make up their own rules on lights as well

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sector_light
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The US does some weird stuff.

Let's not forget they make up their own rules on lights as well

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sector_light
That reference doesn't support your contention.
It's also a classic example of the problem with using Wikipedia as a reference resource. Clearly not written by someone with English as a first language, it contains a number of misconceptions and irrelevancies.

The US does not "make up their own rules on lights". They use the internationally agree IALA Region B rules.
Here's a good summary of the facts:
International Association of Marine Aids to Navigation Lighthouse Authorities Maritime Buoyage System - CCG - Aids to Navigation
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The US does not "make up their own rules on lights". They use the internationally agree IALA Region B rules.
Well let's just say they , and a few others, do stuff different to the majority and because of that cause confusion and leave it at that.
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The part above where you mention where vessels are normally on the move, to me,(and I believe Colregs,) includes anchorages.

Yes, as I said . . . "in or close to . . . . (but probably could have worded it better)

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As applied to the typical cruising boat dinghy, it simply exempts them from the ball/light requirement unless they're anchored in or close to areas where vessels are normally on the move.
It is my understanding that FWC caught flack for ticketing dinghys for no anchor light at night and have backed off.

Most of us with inflatables seem to have those cheap, battery-powered all-around white lights that affix to the top of the outboard or clamp onto the dinghy transom. You'd go through a lot of batteries trying to comply, and how would you install an anchor ball? Maybe there's been some problems with dinghies on long painters getting run over. It is rather tight in there.

Note: The mooring field in Marathon is not a Special Anchorage. It is not in inland waters and is subject to International rules. Anchor lights and dayshapes are required while at anchor or on a mooring ball.

Good to know, thanks.

Iíve read Rule 30, as it applies to vessels under 7 meters, several times today. I just canít get it to say a boat under 7 meters doesnít need an anchor light and a dayshape except in far flung places with little boat traffic.

Looks to me like you're reading it right. Pretty good . . . for a carpenter.

You have a good point that it could be argued that the dinghy is notn fact anchored but is tied to a mothership but I also think it could be argued that itís a separate vessel and that it is ultimately anchored, although elaborately through the mothership.

Sounds like the USCG is interpreting it as a separate vessel.

Iím looking for the Cruisers Forum brain trust to chime in and help me understand rule 30 as it applies to vessels under 7 meters.

Iím just a carpenter whoís having trouble with words.
If nothing else, these threads almost always cause me to go back & read the rulebook, something which is all too easy to lay by the wayside it seems.
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Re: Do you use a Daytime Black ball at Anchor?

On board A B Sea we always use an anchor ball during the day and an anchor light at night.


It takes but a minute to deploy the anchor ball and a second to switch on the anchor light.


It makes us feel that should a collision happen then we have the high ground from a legal perspective.


We'd rather be safe than sorry.
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Old 05-04-2019, 06:38   #401
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I always thought that the purpose of the black ball was to allow others to distinguish between boats under way and boats anchored. Anchored boats are naturally not keeping a lookout.
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If nothing else, these threads almost always cause me to go back & read the rulebook, something which is all too easy to lay by the wayside it seems.
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I always thought that the purpose of the black ball was to allow others to distinguish between boats under way and boats anchored. Anchored boats are naturally not keeping a lookout.
I was thinking, that was an invitation for coming over for a sundowner. and some stingy sailors simply want privacy not hoisting the ball.

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Re: Do you use a Daytime Black ball at Anchor?

It's regulation; that said, I've always thought it to be one of the more unnecessary regulations on the books, and I don't personally hoist a black ball when anchored. I think that anyone oblivious or loaded enough to ram me in broad daylight isn't likely to notice the absence (or presence) of a black ball on my halyard. I do, on occasion, worry about night time strikes.
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Yes I do and itís international regulations not just US
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