Crew or Passenger?

[woc]

When entering the U.S. from another country the immigration form requires to list passenger and or crew. Our vessel is US registered ( chartered) and my partner and I are not US citizen or resident and sail the yacht without crew.
If we list our selfs as passengers will immigration ask for details of the crew?
If we list as crew will immigration ask for details of employer?
Does it matter? We both travel with valid US business visas.
Anyone with experience or knowledge of immigration procedures to give some guidance?

[Rubikoop]

I would describe yourselves as captain and crew. The word passenger infers that one of you is paying to be there.

[woc]

Originally Posted by Rubikoop

I would describe yourselves as captain and crew. The word passenger infers that one of you is paying to be there.

Makes sense. My concern to is that Imigrations would consider the captain and crew to be " working" in the US which is not allowed under the vise we hold.

[GordMay]

You are "crew".

Title 33 CFR 160.204, definitions for crewmember and persons in addition to crewmembers:
As used in this subpart:
Crewmember means all persons carried on board the vessel to provide navigation and maintenance of the vessel, its machinery, systems, and arrangements essential for propulsion and safe navigation or to provide services for other persons on board.
➥ https://www.uscg.mil/hq/cgcvc/cvc2/g...Definition.pdf

[MarkJ]

In all countries you are Crew.
Its got nothing to do with working unless you have passengers.

Passengers pay to be on biard so in many countries you nedd to pay fees or taxes for passengers but not for crew.

So on boats we are always crew

[woc]

Originally Posted by GordMay

You are "crew".

Title 33 CFR 160.204, definitions for crewmember and persons in addition to crewmembers:
As used in this subpart:
Crewmember means all persons carried on board the vessel to provide navigation and maintenance of the vessel, its machinery, systems, and arrangements essential for propulsion and safe navigation or to provide services for other persons on board.
➥ https://www.uscg.mil/hq/cgcvc/cvc2/g...Definition.pdf

All clear and many thanks for the link. Just wanted to be sure.

[Triumphant]

Originally Posted by MarkJ

In all countries you are Crew.
Its got nothing to do with working unless you have passengers.

Passengers pay to be on board so in many countries you need to pay fees or taxes for passengers but not for crew.

So on boats we are always crew

+1 I can confirm that in Belize you are charged extra for Passengers and/or Guests

[dohenyboy]

Wait a minute here.... If you are the Captain and your 2 month old baby is on board, it certainly is not helping with navigation or other duties so its not crew. But its not paying for passage, at least in my family we never made the babies pay!! How could it be a passenger? So the definitions need some clarification.And the USCG reference you gave says that the baby may not be a passenger but goes on the passenger list.


Sent from an undisclosed location on the high seas or from the lounge chair by the pool, you decide.

[Astrid]

Wait a minute here.... If you are the Captain and your 2 month old baby is on board, it certainly is not helping with navigation or other duties so its not crew. But its not paying for passage, at least in my family we never made the babies pay!! How could it be a passenger? So the definitions need some clarification.And the USCG reference you gave says that the baby may not be a passenger but goes on the passenger list.

Mascot?

[Therapy]

Originally Posted by dohenyboy

Wait a minute here.... If you are the Captain and your 2 month old baby is on board, it certainly is not helping with navigation or other duties so its not crew. But its not paying for passage, at least in my family we never made the babies pay!! How could it be a passenger? So the definitions need some clarification.And the USCG reference you gave says that the baby may not be a passenger but goes on the passenger list.


Sent from an undisclosed location on the high seas or from the lounge chair by the pool, you decide.

Hence, a lawyer is born.
Shame on you.
I hope your chair falls in the pool.