The Yard Guys

[cpa]

Originally Posted by transmitterdan

What brand new boat can you buy fully equipped and ready to cross the Atlantic for less than $150K.

I agree. The last new Beneteau I sold was in 2007. It was a 423 and if my memory is correct I believe once optioned out it was $230k. The boat did not have any cruising gear other than a below deck autopilot. One could easily spend another $30k on extras to get the boat equipped for extensive cruising. I remember thinking that I would buy a nice Beneteau First 42 for $70K and dump another $50k in refit money (with new sails, motor, rigging, cushions, electronics, electrical....) and have a much better boat.

I just checked a few Cruising World articles and a Sense 43 has the price tag of $300k and the new Marlow-Hunter 40 is $240k.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by smackdaddy

Who said you can buy a brand new boat, fully equipped, for $150K? Of course - that's not too far off:

2015 Bene 38 Oceanis for $148K
2015 Beneteau Oceanis 38 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Impressive that massive number of substantial bulkheads they have incorporated into their structure, don't you think?

[neilpride]

Do you strongly believe that a boat with litle tanks in wáter and fuel is designed for extended periods of time in the sea??

The bene again with a fridge in the starboard side facing port side, really?
No hand holds.
No proper sea berths, no lee cloths.
No bulkhead.
Nav station facing backwards., and using the salón space.
The entrance door its a joke .
Could be funy to reach the boom.
The cockpit manual bilge pump under the helmsman seat.
One of the worsts kitchen i ever seen.
The boat could be a nice choice for coastal and casual offshore sailing, but for extended periods of time in the sea, NOP!!!

The chart table nav station in the bavaria, you must be kidding, lol!!!

[cpa]

Originally Posted by smackdaddy

Who said you can buy a brand new boat, fully equipped, for $150K? Of course - that's not too far off:

2015 Bene 38 Oceanis for $148K
2015 Beneteau Oceanis 38 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

2015 Jeanneau 379 for $175K
2015 Jeanneau 379 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

2015 Bavaria 37 for $138K
2014 Bavaria Cruiser 37 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

Just an FYI the Oceanis 38's hull length is 36.5 feet, The Jeanneau 379's hull length is 36 feet, and the Bavaria 37's hull length is 35.7 feet. So in reality these boats are mid 30 footers. I guess they like to include anchor rollers in the length. Don't know why the modern boat manufacturer does this, but they do. I guess maybe to fool the buyers into thinking they have bigger boats.

Also these boats in sailaway will always be a more than a Yachtworld listing. The Beneteau O38 ranges from $145k-$225k loaded (Cruising World). The Jeanneau is said to have a sailaway price tag just over $200k (Cruising World). The Bavaria Cruiser 37 is $197K according to its website.

[cpa]

Originally Posted by neilpride

No bulkhead.

YIKES. That is actually scary. I guess you can install an optional larger bulkhead, but I wonder if it is structural or just a panel. I guess it is like a convertible sofa or a Mr. Potato-boat.

[transmitterdan]

I would much rather have our boat than any of those new production boats. And based on other's experience it ought to survive any survival storm even driven by a couple idiots. Although I agree with Smack that we should try to avoid that cuz the idiots might not survive.

[neilpride]

Originally Posted by cpa

YIKES. That is actually scary. I guess you can install an optional larger bulkhead, but I wonder if it is structural or just a panel. I guess it is like a convertible sofa or a Mr. Potato-boat.

Nah , you can remove the bulkhead or sail with the bulkhead in place or not, both options, i believe the boat is enough stiff in this área otherwise it can twist badly, probably a grid liner on steroids... but where the hell you place the bulkhead if you want to sail without the bulkhead???
Haaa i forgot , in the marina!!!!

[colemj]

Originally Posted by neilpride

No bulkhead.

I see what looks like a waist-high bulkhead athwart the boat with a ring bulkhead structure that is either tied into it or an integral part of it.

Surely, you have seen these in multihulls?

Our main beam consists of a knee-high bulkhead spanning 15' of saloon tied into ring bulkheads in each hull. This is a much longer run of a short bulkhead and less ring tied into it and we don't twist and bend.

I suspect that engineering will be just fine.

Mark

[neilpride]

Originally Posted by colemj

I see what looks like a waist-high bulkhead athwart the boat with a ring bulkhead structure that is either tied into it or an integral part of it.

Surely, you have seen these in multihulls?

Our main beam consists of a knee-high bulkhead spanning 15' of saloon tied into ring bulkheads in each hull. This is a much longer run of a short bulkhead and less ring tied into it and we don't twist and bend.

I suspect that engineering will be just fine.

Mark

Yes, agree, nothing wrong with that if they desing it like that, i mean im sure the boat is stiff right there ,

[avb3]

Originally Posted by neilpride

Do you strongly believe that a boat with litle tanks in wáter and fuel is designed for extended periods of time in the sea??

The bene again with a fridge in the starboard side facing port side, really?
No hand holds.
No proper sea berths, no lee cloths.
No bulkhead.
Nav station facing backwards., and using the salón space.
The entrance door its a joke .
Could be funy to reach the boom.
The cockpit manual bilge pump under the helmsman seat.
One of the worsts kitchen i ever seen.
The boat could be a nice choice for coastal and casual offshore sailing, but for extended periods of time in the sea, NOP!!!

The chart table nav station in the bavaria, you must be kidding, lol!!!

Originally Posted by transmitterdan

I would much rather have our boat than any of those new production boats. And based on other's experience it ought to survive any survival storm even driven by a couple idiots. Although I agree with Smack that we should try to avoid that cuz the idiots might not survive.

Bene is good at building to their market. And that is the marina condo, coastal cruiser crowd. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but they should not pretend that these boats are anything but. They will do a great job in that environment.

Yeah, I saw that nav desk on the Bavaria, and wondered, who do they think they are kidding?

[smackdaddy]

Originally Posted by avb3

Impressive that massive number of substantial bulkheads they have incorporated into their structure, don't you think?

So buy the Jeanneau.

[neilpride]

I will take this Passport 40 by Perry anytime instead of the babys plastic fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeef...yer_detailpage

Worth to
read the review!

[transmitterdan]

^^ +a bunch

[Island Time O25]

Originally Posted by smackdaddy

So buy the Jeanneau.

Speaking of which. Late 80s O'day 39 is a Jeanneau hull design built out in MA. Came out quite strong and seaworthy. I had the luck (or was spoiled) to start my first sailing steps aboard that model and realized only years later how great this boat was. When I started I had no point of reference not having sailed on any other boat before. The only issue for us was her relatively deep keep, almost 7', which gave us less room to play with.

[smackdaddy]

Originally Posted by colemj

I see what looks like a waist-high bulkhead athwart the boat with a ring bulkhead structure that is either tied into it or an integral part of it.

Surely, you have seen these in multihulls?

Our main beam consists of a knee-high bulkhead spanning 15' of saloon tied into ring bulkheads in each hull. This is a much longer run of a short bulkhead and less ring tied into it and we don't twist and bend.

I suspect that engineering will be just fine.

Mark

I think these particular guys actually need the old heavy boats. They just can't comprehend anything else. So let them drop their six figures on slow antiques. It makes them feel safe and, apparently, somehow, "admired".

The rest of the sailing world can have just as much fun in just as many places and be just as safe for far less in nice, blue water capable production boats. And they'll have a lot more left in their cruising kitty.

The industry itself, pretty much across the board (even Oyster), is moving away from most of what they say is important. I think I'll follow the industry.