The two types of yacht owners- the dreamers and the doers?

[letsgetsailing3]

Originally Posted by MicHughV

Soooo....given a choice....would you rather be healthy with $5 in yer pocket....
or........sickly, with a $million in yer pocket ????

Is that really the only choice?


I'm guessing there are many in between.


Though the point is well made. If you wait for everything to be perfect, you might miss your window.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by coopec43

... Thank heavens my yacht has a full length keel suitable for blue water cruising. (I wouldn't dream of owning a modern fin keeled yacht) [1]

https://krakenyachts.com/are-we-faci...ure-time-bomb/ [2]

[1] “Keel Design According to Perry”

Originally Posted by Bob Perry

”Go ahead and love your crab crusher full keel boat but don’t try to justify the design on technical terms. Some traditional full keel designs have a lot of subjective, aesthetic appeal. That’s good enough reason to love your boat..." ~ Bob Perry ...

➥ Keel Design According to Perry (Guest Post by Bob Perry)

[2] So far, the application of “multi-lateral”, or “canting ballast” keels has been primarily limited to ocean racing boats - I wouldn’t expect to see one on a typical cruising boat.
A canting ballast keel introduces significant engineering complexity, and cost increases, compared to a conventional fixed-ballast keel. Multiple movable appendages create potential structural weaknesses, not only in the appendages themselves, but in their support structures.

“Farr comment on canting keels”
➥ https://www.yachtingworld.com/races/...ng-keels-42359

[coopec43]

Gord

I take it that you are pointing out that a lot of the failures were on racing yachts? I do intend analysing the list to make some sense of it.

TWO DAVIDSON YACHTS LOST THEIR KEELS BUT i GUESS YOU CAN'T BLAME THE DESIGNER FOR THE YACHT HITTING SOMETHING.
2) Finistere, 2018, keel broke off, Laurie Davidson,1989, lifting carbon fibre and wood, under investigation.


I doubt my yacht will lose its' keel.


7) Castaway Fiji, 1987, keel broke off, Laurie Davidson, fixed, collision with unidentified floating object.

[GordMay]

Yes - racing yachts, particularly of the canting ballast type.

”... Two further yachts suffered catastrophic hull damage at the end of 2019 because of their multi-lateral construction...”

BTW: I was in a bar the other day, when a girl asked me, "What do you do?"
I said, "I race sailboats."
She asked, "Do you win many races?"
I said, "Not often, the boats are usually much faster, than I."

[JBP]

Originally Posted by coopec43

I take it that you are pointing out that a lot of the failures were on racing yachts?

Yeah, professional racing boats are a different class. They are designed to fail. If it doesn't break, it is built too heavy. The ideal race boat will have everything fail 10 seconds AFTER crossing the finish line.

[sailorboy1]

Only on CF is not having money some type of badge of honor.

[rslifkin]

Originally Posted by coopec43

OMG! I thought the days of keels breaking off yachts were long gone. Take a look at the list of keel failures. (It would be interesting to see if particular yacht designs feature regularly) Maybe the skippers of the fin keeled yachts know their limitations and decide to stay at home.

Thank heavens my yacht has a full length keel suitable for blue water cruising. (I wouldn't dream of owning a modern fin keeled yacht)

https://krakenyachts.com/are-we-faci...ure-time-bomb/

In addition to the racing related points others have made, there have also been cases of full keels being punctured low on the keel in a grounding and the design not keeping water out of the boat in that situation.

So I tend to look at it as there being some questionably designed or built boats out there. As long as people want lightweight, stylish boats that are also cheap, we're likely to get under-designed or under-built boats out there somewhere.

In terms of build quality, some full keels have vulnerable areas while good ones will be much harder to damage catastrophically. Some fin keels have questionable attachments or keels bolted right to the hull where it's easy to do major damage or cause a failure. Others have very sturdy attachments where you'd tear a huge chunk out of the hull long before you rip the keel attachment apart. And then there's the hybrid, as in the encapsulated fin. Technically still a fin keel, but it's just part of the hull, not externally attached.

In your case, you know your boat is well built from a good design, so you should be able to sleep soundly.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

Only on CF is not having money some type of badge of honor.

Those with less sacrifice more, those with money sacrifice little...

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Those with less sacrifice more, those with money sacrifice little...

Indeed.
An interesting perspective:
“Giving Without Sacrifice?” ~ by Andreas Mogensen
The relationship between income, happiness, and giving.
➥ https://assets.ctfassets.net/dhpcfh1...-sacrifice.pdf

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Those with less sacrifice more, those with money sacrifice little...

Guess you are looking for that badge

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

Guess you are looking for that badge

Looking..???
I'm Platinum...

[sailorboy1]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Looking..???
I'm Platinum...

I see people on the corner here everyday that would look at that platinum badge with envy.

You are I are part of the ran into fishing boats and got demasted group. We can no longer pass judgements on anyone except other members of our group!

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

I see people on the corner here everyday that would look at that platinum badge with envy.

You are I are part of the ran into fishing boats and got demasted group. We can no longer pass judgements on anyone except other members of our group!

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by letsgetsailing3

Is that really the only choice?

I'm guessing there are many in between.

Though the point is well made. If you wait for everything to be perfect, you might miss your window.

As one wise man once said -- I'd rather be healthy and rich, than sick and poor.

[Dockhead]

Originally Posted by sailorboy1

I see people on the corner here everyday that would look at that platinum badge with envy.

You are I are part of the ran into fishing boats and got demasted group. We can no longer pass judgements on anyone except other members of our group!

ROTFLMAO


Good one.