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Old 14-09-2020, 23:22   #1
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Steel vessel refit in Indonesia

Has anyone done a refit of a steel vessel in Indonesia?

I'm looking at a converted steel trawler that would require interior work and a cabin extension. Several yards in Thailand come well recommended with the only caveats being the need for constant supervision and overcoming the language barrier. If there is an Indonesian equivalent, I speak the language and have 20 years incountry supervisory experience.

I'm aware of centers that specialise in excellent woodworking but they dont seen to have much in the way of steel work.

Thoughts and recommendations?

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Do you know you can cut and paste a foreign lingo into Google translator?

Also there is an app to translate a foreign (spoken) language on your Android phone. But I can't afford an Android phone so I don't know how that works. (Presumably the translation comes up as text on your phone?
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Do you know you can cut and paste a foreign lingo into Google translator?

Also there is an app to translate a foreign (spoken) language on your Android phone. But I can't afford an Android phone so I don't know how that works. (Presumably the translation comes up as text on your phone?
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I have also lived, worked and sailed in Indonesia. We had a Van de Stadt 34 in Jakarta and when the exhaust system failed we had it rebuilt from scratch. The work was excellent. We also had the cabin interior redone with very good results. I don't know of a yard that does steel, but a friend who is a faculty member at Sepuluh Nopember Institute of Technology (ITS) in Surabaya, is deeply involved in the marine industry and is himself a marine engineer (Ph.D. from Japan) and will know of several - particularly in Surabaya but also in Bali where he is originally from. ITS is Indonesia's premier marine engineering institution. If you like, please send me a PM with details of where the boat is and what you need done. I would be happy to ask his advice on your behalf.

I am still working in Indonesia but since March of this year, from a distance. Its pretty hairy there right now with Covid-19 cases surging in Jakarta and hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed. Surabaya is not a lot better. Ditto for Bali, where there is a bit of a "refit" industry. So timing might be an issue in Indonesia. Thailand seems to be better.

I also work in China and the apps mentioned for verbal translation are available for iPhones and Android phones. They generally work quite well. Kalau di Indonesia, saya cukup lancar bahasa Indonesia dan biasanya pakai bahasa tersebut.
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Do you know you can cut and paste a foreign lingo into Google translator?

Also there is an app to translate a foreign (spoken) language on your Android phone. But I can't afford an Android phone so I don't know how that works. (Presumably the translation comes up as text on your phone?
Thanks. I had read your post before it was deleted.

I'm familiar with translation apps and have them on my current phones.
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I have also lived, worked and sailed in Indonesia. We had a Van de Stadt 34 in Jakarta and when the exhaust system failed we had it rebuilt from scratch. The work was excellent. We also had the cabin interior redone with very good results. I don't know of a yard that does steel, but a friend who is a faculty member at Sepuluh Nopember Institute of Technology (ITS) in Surabaya, is deeply involved in the marine industry and is himself a marine engineer (Ph.D. from Japan) and will know of several - particularly in Surabaya but also in Bali where he is originally from. ITS is Indonesia's premier marine engineering institution. If you like, please send me a PM with details of where the boat is and what you need done. I would be happy to ask his advice on your behalf.

I am still working in Indonesia but since March of this year, from a distance. Its pretty hairy there right now with Covid-19 cases surging in Jakarta and hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed. Surabaya is not a lot better. Ditto for Bali, where there is a bit of a "refit" industry. So timing might be an issue in Indonesia. Thailand seems to be better.

I also work in China and the apps mentioned for verbal translation are available for iPhones and Android phones. They generally work quite well. Kalau di Indonesia, saya cukup lancar bahasa Indonesia dan biasanya pakai bahasa tersebut.
Thanks. That's good news and a kind offer. I'll send you a PM.

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Has anyone done a refit of a steel vessel in Indonesia?

I'm looking at a converted steel trawler that would require interior work and a cabin extension. Several yards in Thailand come well recommended with the only caveats being the need for constant supervision and overcoming the language barrier. If there is an Indonesian equivalent, I speak the language and have 20 years incountry supervisory experience.

I'm aware of centers that specialise in excellent woodworking but they dont seen to have much in the way of steel work.

Thoughts and recommendations?

Thanks
My experience is that yards in Phuket such as those at at Boat Lagoon provide good services for a wide range of craft and there are lots of people familiar with yacht equipment. There are enough competant english speakers around to overcome any language issues. Only thing is it will not be anywhere near as cheap as Indonesia.
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Re: Steel vessel refit in Indonesia

Well to start with Phuket is quite a distance from Indo, doesn't make sense to move the boat for the project, unless you're going to stay there for some time. I spent 20 year's in S.E.Asia, mostly Indo, you state you speak Bahasa, so no anguage issue, best to supervise the project, a friend back in the 80'S had a new interior put in a Steel 35 ft. SLOOP IN Malaysia, nice enough job, but he wasn't there to supervise, sooooo, the measurements were for a Asian, i.e. counter tops 5 " lower than normal, berth's shorter, ect. Miss that part of the world, good luck.
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Well to start with Phuket is quite a distance from Indo, doesn't make sense to move the boat for the project, unless you're going to stay there for some time..
I'd agree. The intention is to decide on one location and do everything there.

I'd certainly be supervising onsite. Ive got access to long term visas.


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Depends on a lot of variables, I rebuilt a sportfishing boat in Batam a while back.
Good thing about Batam is that it is duty free and has easy access to Singapore for parts.
Lots of "Shipyards" not so many "Boatyards" so big difference in quality.

That being said, check out Sailing Aquarius Around The World on YouTube, they had a good experiance with a yard close to Nongsa Point Marina.
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Depends on a lot of variables, I rebuilt a sportfishing boat in Batam a while back.
Good thing about Batam is that it is duty free and has easy access to Singapore for parts.
Lots of "Shipyards" not so many "Boatyards" so big difference in quality.

That being said, check out Sailing Aquarius Around The World on YouTube, they had a good experiance with a yard close to Nongsa Point Marina.
Thanks for that. To be honest, I had not considered Batam but it's certainly worth investigation

What type of work did you have done on your sports fisher?
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Refit in Batam involved pulling engines, generator & fuel tanks, rebuilding stringers and reinstalling machinery.
Cabin interior was gutted, freshwater tank removed, cleaned and reinstalled.
Console rebuilt and new electronics installed including complete rewire of vessel.
Fabricated new struts, shortened shafts, installed flexible couplings and dripless seals.

Yard builds and maintains the usual ferrys you see in Indo so they are more of a ship yard than a boatyard, think industrial and you get the picture.
Best do tricky or technical such as wiring and electronics yourself.
Buy tinned wire in Singapore as I have never seen it in Indonesia.

Note that there is a preference to use fiberglass panels than wood due to laron (termites). My boat sat outside under a searchlight for 6 months after it was ready to launch due to paperwork issues (bureaucracy). Light attracted the laron at the start of the wet season and they did quite a lot of damage.

Currently in Malaysia after having the boat fumigated and rebuilding the cabin interior.

Interested in hearing about your trawler.
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