Rudder nightmare at sea

[minaret]

Originally Posted by georgetheleo

True if your DIY but if the yard waits 6x for the drying times -its probably 3 extra days yard time -maybe more+ yard labor for the 4 extra coats when 2 coats are recommended and fine --that equals 'rich' in both time and money------oh well while waiting for the extra coats have the yard put on 6 coats of wax on topsides--what the heck

Interlux does not recommend any number of coats for 2000e. They spec a DFT of 10 mils minimum. Number of coats depends on application method. Rolling with 1/4" nap roller covers, it takes 6 coats to achieve required DFT. Even spraying you will never get there in two.

[Bluewaters2812]

Originally Posted by a64pilot

There are several waterproof adhesives, most if not all would be two part I believe? Heck even the Romans had water proof cement

Thanks, you give me hope.

[hellosailor]

bluewaters, there are a number of adhesives that will bond, set, and cure underwater. I think most epoxies will, and 3M's infamous 5200 might as well. Urethane adhesives often actually absorb water and cure faster when it is present, but in all cases I would check with the manufacturer to make sure a specific adhesive was right for such an important (and inaccessible) job.

I'd also mention that "release wax" may not be wax, it may be silicone or PVA or Krytox and what removes wax won't always remove everything else. Any auto body shop will sell something like 3M's "Prepsolve" which is a solvent blend designed to remove ALL of those "waxy" products in preparation for auto painting. I'd rather spend a little more on getting a product designed to do the job, than guess at using simpler solvents. And of course, auto supplies are almost always cheaper than "marine grade" labels. 3M's "fiberglass body work" materials are used on cars, boats, aircraft...all prime quality with outstanding technical support, one phone number gets answers about any of them.

With that and lots of clean (washed thoroughly without any fabric softener or drier sheets) terrycloth rags, or good paper towels, which will pull off whatever is on the fiberglass without contaminating it with anything else.

[Bluewaters2812]

Originally Posted by hellosailor

bluewaters, there are a number of adhesives that will bond, set, and cure underwater. I think most epoxies will, and 3M's infamous 5200 might as well. Urethane adhesives often actually absorb water and cure faster when it is present, but in all cases I would check with the manufacturer to make sure a specific adhesive was right for such an important (and inaccessible) job.

I'd also mention that "release wax" may not be wax, it may be silicone or PVA or Krytox and what removes wax won't always remove everything else. Any auto body shop will sell something like 3M's "Prepsolve" which is a solvent blend designed to remove ALL of those "waxy" products in preparation for auto painting. I'd rather spend a little more on getting a product designed to do the job, than guess at using simpler solvents. And of course, auto supplies are almost always cheaper than "marine grade" labels. 3M's "fiberglass body work" materials are used on cars, boats, aircraft...all prime quality with outstanding technical support, one phone number gets answers about any of them.

With that and lots of clean (washed thoroughly without any fabric softener or drier sheets) terrycloth rags, or good paper towels, which will pull off whatever is on the fiberglass without contaminating it with anything else.

Thanks for the info. The Beneteau rep assures me that the diver he is arranging knows exactly what to use glue-wise, as he has done this before on a number of charter boats for them.

I have bought a de-greaser but will double-check with the rep and the factory as to what they suggest to use as a wax/mould remover. I will have a look at the 3M products, thanks. All helpful input.

[svBeBe]

A woman in a sailing group to which I belong recently posted about their experience last month. Lost the rudder 80NM from Rabat en route to Canaries. Sailing a ketch. Steered the boat using the main and mizzen and just a patch of genoa. Arrived Canaries with no problems.

Judy

[Bluewaters2812]

Originally Posted by svBeBe

A woman in a sailing group to which I belong recently posted about their experience last month. Lost the rudder 80NM from Rabat en route to Canaries. Sailing a ketch. Steered the boat using the main and mizzen and just a patch of genoa. Arrived Canaries with no problems.

Judy

With a modern Beneteau sloop that is unfortunately not possible. We don't have the mizzen and no configuration would get us anywhere in a steady direction. Believe me, we tried.

[Bluewaters2812]

Sadly the Beneteau rep is no longer answering his phone or contacting me despite undertaking to do so. I know that the rudder arrived in Martinique last night. He said he would phone me this morning but this is not happening. Not impressed with their service at all.

[Cheechako]

Originally Posted by Bluewaters2812

Sadly the Beneteau rep is no longer answering his phone or contacting me despite undertaking to do so. I know that the rudder arrived in Martinique last night. He said he would phone me this morning but this is not happening. Not impressed with their service at all.

I dont know, sounds like they got you a rudder in less than 3 weeks to an island in the caribe right? Seems pretty good really....

[Bluewaters2812]

Originally Posted by Cheechako

I dont know, sounds like they got you a rudder in less than 3 weeks to an island in the caribe right? Seems pretty good really....

No, he promised two weeks. Then they promised that they have arranged "specially"with the factory not to drill a hole to save a day so that it can be ready for Thursday last week. On Thursday they said it was ready wrapped for sending and should be her Friday. The next was that it was dispatched and was due to arrive yesterday. The rep said yesterday that he would phone me last night or first thing this morning to arrange drop off of the rudder. It is now 14:30 and the rep is not even bothering to answer his phone and has not bothered to keep us informed as to what is happening. To me that is bad service.

[DeepFrz]

Hey Mon, its all island time. Chill mon, chill...

[Bluewaters2812]

Originally Posted by DeepFrz

Hey Mon, its all island time. Chill mon, chill...

Yip, and Island money prices too. Its a bit ong now (1 month).

[atoll]

Originally Posted by Bluewaters2812

No, he promised two weeks. Then they promised that they have arranged "specially"with the factory not to drill a hole to save a day so that it can be ready for Thursday last week. On Thursday they said it was ready wrapped for sending and should be her Friday. The next was that it was dispatched and was due to arrive yesterday. The rep said yesterday that he would phone me last night or first thing this morning to arrange drop off of the rudder. It is now 14:30 and the rep is not even bothering to answer his phone and has not bothered to keep us informed as to what is happening. To me that is bad service.

dis de iland time mon!

if it is any consolation,i'm still waiting for the rudder to get to the azores.it was ready to be shipped on the 4th of october

[Bluewaters2812]

Originally Posted by atoll

dis de iland time mon!

if it is any consolation,i'm still waiting for the rudder to get to the azores.it was ready to be shipped on the 4th of october

Eish, suddenly I feel worlds better lol.

[colemj]

Since you are probably heading toward Latin America, this is a good experience/lesson for you. Remember - there "mañana" does not mean "tomorrow", it only means "not today".

Cheer up - you have actually had this move along much further and faster than you think now. It will all seem in the distance in a few more months.

Mark

[atoll]

Originally Posted by Bluewaters2812

Eish, suddenly I feel worlds better lol.

ces't un bordell,mes amis!