Rudder Modification: Need Advice!

[Jim Cate]

Originally Posted by Steve Pope

If your boat is an H28 I can't see where or how you would fit a skeg and rudder. H28's have a full keel. The original design had a transom hung rudder that has never been known to give trouble. I would go back to the original. H28's have done several circumnavigations without problems, some say slowly but most average 4 1/2 knots, not bad for a small boat.

Wrong H, mate! This H-28 is a Hinterholler, not a Herreschoff (sp?).

Jim

[Steve Pope]

Well there you go! Lots of the Herreschoff 28's in NZ, or at least the Compass yachts modified version,
must admit I havn't heard of a Hinterholler, Thanks for putting me right Jim. Where does Hinterholler hail from?
Steve.

[boatman61]

George Anton Hinterhoeller was a boat designer and builder. Hinterhoeller was born in Mondsee, Austria on March 16, 1928. He develop his trade as a master boat builder before eventually emigrating to Canada in 1952, where he was employed building powerboats at Shepherd Boats in Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario. Hinterhoeller designed sailboats in his spare time.
In 1959, Hinterhoeller built a 22-foot plywood sloop called TEETER-TOTTER, which he hoped would "go like hell when the wind blew". It did exactly that, and there was demand from others to buy copies of the racer. He increased the design by two feet and called the new boat the Shark 24. Though the first few were plywood, an early customer insisted his be built with fiberglass and the design was changed to the cheaper material, helping to spur the growth of sailboats for "the masses".
In 1969, Hinterhoeller merged his operation with three other companies: Belleville Marine Yard, Bruckmann Manufacturing, and the design partnership of George Cuthbertson and George Cassian, to form C&C Yachts. Hinterhoeller was in charge of "production shop" and Bruckmann the "custom shop". The new company took over manufacturing of the Shark 24 along with numerous other new designs including the very popular C&C 27. Hinterhoeller left C&C in 1976, and refounded Hinterhoeller Yachts which created, among other designs, popular series of catboat called the Nonsuch, of which there are nearly 1000 in existence.
George Hinterhoeller died of a heart attack in Niagara-on-the-Lake on March 18, 1999. His legacy lives on primarily in many, many thousands of sailboats. The largest number of any one design is the Shark, of which there are more than 2500 vessels primarily in the Great Lakes region and in Europe.

[Jim Cate]

Boatman, thanks for that bio! Very interesting stuff. The tangled course of C&C is difficult to follow, and GAH's participation certainly seemed to influence their always interesting and varied production line.

And Steve, for many (myself included) the REAL H-28 is the one you know there in NZed. A great design.

Cheers,

Jim

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by Jim Cate

Wrong H, mate! This H-28 is a Hinterholler(sp?).

George Hinterhoeller

[barnakiel]

IF (pls note the size of the if) the stern is strong enough, you can add a drop-in or drop-down rudder (like many dinghies have them) and that's it - you have you back-up emergency system.

Try to find the reason why the original design fails and build a new proper rudder without the failure point.

b.

[perchance]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

IF (pls note the size of the if) the stern is strong enough, you can add a drop-in or drop-down rudder (like many dinghies have them) and that's it - you have you back-up emergency system.

Try to find the reason why the original design fails and build a new proper rudder without the failure point.

b.

Excellent advise.

[otherthan]

Originally Posted by barnakiel

IF (pls note the size of the if) the stern is strong enough, you can add a drop-in or drop-down rudder (like many dinghies have them) and that's it - you have you back-up emergency system.

Try to find the reason why the original design fails and build a new proper rudder without the failure point.

b.

well the boat went thru some sirious seas and 80kn winds...it did prety well in any weather accros both north and south atlantic...she experienced temps from freezing to tropical heat...ultimatly wear from constant abuse eventualy lead to failieur...after all this boat was designed for lake use.
I have compared many rudder design this weekend...and they all look stronger then mine...I guess having a transome option is my cheepest alternative...either that or total rebuilt of a new stronger systhem.

as my rudder and skeg ar as good as they can be for that particular design...maight as well go with option one for now.

cheers