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21-09-2017, 11:19
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Bumping around the Caribbean
Boat: Valiant 40
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
No boat ever sank from blisters that I know of.
Yards are now "peel crazy" these days. The peeler planer is their equivalent of what an X-Ray machine is to an orthopedist; it prints money.
If you're handy you could dry the boat out, grind, fill, and fair the blisters, and put a proper barrier coat on the boat. Not an insignificant amount of work but you can do it yourself.
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21-09-2017, 11:26
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#17
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 764
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
Find a surveyor who will do a laminate profile. That way you will have more facts rather than just guessing.
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21-09-2017, 18:42
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Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 34
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
Peeled one years ago for owner. Not yard in Panama City, Fl. Two deep cuts and still rotten. Never did dry out. No amount of filling and coatings would be permanent repair. Beware. Phil
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21-09-2017, 19:06
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Cedar Springs, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 8,044
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheechako
I cant see that well enough. All I see is worn bottom paint. Are there actual bumps? Pop one with a pocket knife. Is it just on the surface or does it ooze and go deeper?
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Wear goggles if you decide to pop a blister. Hydrolized resin is nasty stuff and can come out in a very high pressure spray.
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21-09-2017, 19:07
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Cedar Springs, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 8,044
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
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Originally Posted by lancelot9898
Find a surveyor who will do a laminate profile. That way you will have more facts rather than just guessing.
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Impossible without sending a coupon to a lab .... done it many times.
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21-09-2017, 19:10
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Cedar Springs, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 8,044
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
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Originally Posted by Phil Turner
Two deep cuts and still rotten. Never did dry out. No amount of filling and coatings would be permanent repair. Beware. Phil
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I've seen quite a few like this and even one that was peeled four times over eight years. The buyer still didn't listen when I surveyed the boat and told him to walk.
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21-09-2017, 19:29
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 764
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
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Originally Posted by boatpoker
Impossible without sending a coupon to a lab .... done it many times.
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Well that sounds good. What did the lab tell you about the coupon?
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21-09-2017, 20:18
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Cedar Springs, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 8,044
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
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Originally Posted by lancelot9898
Well that sounds good. What did the lab tell you about the coupon?
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The lab I use can tell type, thickness, number of coats of bottom paint and barrier coating, Type and thickness of gelcoat, Thickness of laminate, number of layers of laminate and type of fabric used, ie. chopped mat, chopper gun, cloth, bi-axial etc. and the type of resin and resin to fabric ratio and bond integrity of all materials involved. In one case I was involved with the builder had claimed use of Kevlar in the laminate and denied any use of chopped mat. In another case the boat was sold as an epoxy boat and turned out to be orthophthalic polyester not even isophthalic !
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21-09-2017, 23:50
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Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Irish Sea
Posts: 1,321
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
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Originally Posted by Suijin
No boat ever sank from blisters that I know of.
Yards are now "peel crazy" these days. The peeler planer is their equivalent of what an X-Ray machine is to an orthopedist; it prints money.
If you're handy you could dry the boat out, grind, fill, and fair the blisters, and put a proper barrier coat on the boat. Not an insignificant amount of work but you can do it yourself.
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Swedish factory produced boat from the '70s, kept on the dry every winter, I think I'll get a moisture meter (no, not the 600$ unit for a 10k$ boat...) and give it a chance.
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22-09-2017, 01:30
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 764
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
Thanks Boat Poker. I got most of the information you posted but not all. Relative Moisture level was provided too. Need to pull out the report to see what was included plus not sure what lab was used.
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27-09-2017, 11:03
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Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Irish Sea
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
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Originally Posted by GTom
Swedish factory produced boat from the '70s, kept on the dry every winter, I think I'll get a moisture meter (no, not the 600$ unit for a 10k$ boat...) and give it a chance.
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Got a close-up picture from the bottom:
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27-09-2017, 11:12
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Cedar Springs, Ontario or Bahamas
Boat: Benford 38 Fantail Cruiser
Posts: 8,044
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
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Originally Posted by GTom
Got a close-up picture from the bottom:

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Way too many coats of paint to form any opinion on the hull. Suggest you sand off the paint before putting a meter on it.
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27-09-2017, 11:33
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Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Irish Sea
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
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Originally Posted by boatpoker
Way too many coats of paint to form any opinion on the hull. Suggest you sand off the paint before putting a meter on it.
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Thanks for the hint! Right, quite funny to discover new and new colors and still no FG
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27-09-2017, 11:50
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Skagit City, WA
Boat: Tanton 44, Passport 47, TPI Lagoon 42
Posts: 25,873
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
That looks like a lot paint coats, but I see no blisters. If it's wert and blistering, it will show.
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27-09-2017, 12:07
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Aventura, FL
Boat: 2008 American Tug 34 #116
Posts: 657
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Re: Osmosis.... Again
Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
The surveyor did not note anything other than many minor blisters.
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Twice I had surveyors (two different boats).
Gotta realize, local surveyors depend upon local business and if his survey kills the sale, he may not get much employment afterwards.
Go through the boat WITH the surveyor, ask questions. Read his report two or 3 times, asking more questions and revisit the boat if necessary..... take him out of ear shot of the seller or broker.
The seller or broker wants your money. There will always be another boat, maybe even better. The broker I used got real tired of me saying that.
Yes, my surveyor missed a few things. I missed a few things but over all, I was satisfied. We always know in our heart, we could have gotten a better buying price for the boat but sometimes our scheduling dulls our bidding on the boat.
Go forth, buy the boat and begin to slay the dragons.
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