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17-09-2011, 03:42
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Nearly an old salt
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Lefkas Marina ,Greece
Boat: Bavaria 36
Posts: 22,801
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey
Although firmly in the older boat club , I do quite like Beneteaus etc - and depending on circumstances (like wanting to keep a low maintainance / wipe down boat somewhere warm) would buy one..........however I do still struggle with the modern concept of building boats out of veneered mdf
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Beneteau use marine ply veneered with hardwood, just like swan, HR, Morris etc. I've never seen MDF in a boat.
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17-09-2011, 05:48
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 20,437
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Re: New vs Old
Quote:
Originally Posted by goboatingnow
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Ohh of course Valient don't ( or more correctly cAnt) make boats anymore
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A fool is a fool and you should know to compare a fool in Bavaria with one in Valiant, right?
The foolishness aside, what remains is the strength of the design and the quality of built and of the components used.
Perhaps insignificant when all sailing is done inshore and with immediate access to facilities.
The story looks different when you find yourself in a place where coral is aplenty and boatyards are nill.
Perhaps Valiant does not build boats anymore and perhaps the thread is titled New vs. Old. Perhaps you noticed?
;-)))
b.
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17-09-2011, 08:09
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#49
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Boat: Beneteau FIRST 42
Posts: 1,836
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Re: New vs Old
As I was thinking about this "Old Vs New" boat thing, I looked out my business window at our Beneteau..... Built in 83, she's working on being an "Old Boat"....... you can still get new designs and workmanship in a boat as old as ours..
Changes have been made, which have been good,like "wide Butts"
Love them wide butts...... but a good look through the years will show the "Fadds" of some have come and gone.. some have stayed..
And even if an old style Full keel, barn door rudder is in your future, you dont have to go back 40 years to buy one..
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17-09-2011, 10:52
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#50
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: New vs Old
i prefer the comfy slow sailing boat over the fast-ass gonna get there exhausted ones--btdt in each, the old one wins, hands down.
and i concur with boatman .....
not all boats made in certain places are crap, and not all new ones are good.
quality is something discernable by those seeking quality, not by marque. and not by year of commissioning or build.
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17-09-2011, 11:16
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#51
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 20,437
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Re: New vs Old
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeehag
i prefer the comfy slow sailing boat over the fast-ass gonna get there exhausted ones--btdt in each, the old one wins, hands down.
and i concur with boatman .....
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But not sailing downwind over open water. The old design will roll your guts out, the flat ass will sail as if on the rails.
slow NOT = comfy, not downwind!
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:-(((
b.
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17-09-2011, 11:17
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#52
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: PNW
Boat: custom teak ketch 48' Eastwind
Posts: 607
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Re: New vs Old
If I had the money to go buy a new fiberglass boat, I'd buy a new Mercedes and keep my old woody and put the rest in the cruising kitty!
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17-09-2011, 11:18
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: New vs Old
my formosa is good downwind.........
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17-09-2011, 11:22
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Saint Petersburg, Florida
Boat: CSY 33
Posts: 179
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Re: New vs Old
What are we going to do in 30 years when all the "new' boats are then the "old" boats. Oh, the future looks sad indeed
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17-09-2011, 11:23
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running down a dream
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Florida
Boat: cape dory 30 MKII
Posts: 3,115
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Re: New vs Old
go with the older quality boat .. but keep in mind the older boats will need more ongoing work than the new hunter. always plan on being out in the worst situation .. then you know you want a heavy strong hull that you can rely on .. if you are worried about speed then get a power boat
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17-09-2011, 11:24
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: New vs Old
wanderluster-- then we will be debating about HOW OLD IS OLD..
and each older boat is different in needs.....might LOOK li8ke needs a lot but not really needing much at all.....
lol
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17-09-2011, 12:18
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#57
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Hood River Or
Boat: Boereal 44
Posts: 189
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Re: New vs Old
One thing you need to remember is that if you are interested in a new boat and one that is really an ocean goer then prices now are better than they were in 1990. That is if you look at what the dollar is worth these days compared to 1990. Example: A Mason 44, 1990 new was advertised as the best cruising boat for under $500,000, it went for 499, 999. You can get an OVNI, Boreal and many other top cruising boats today new for about 500, 000. So the prices I think are better now than the old days for a true blue water boat. Those 3 boats mentioned were or are top of the line blue water cruisers, you can get many new boats that will do the job of blue water cruising for half that price. New boats take a lot of work too when it is delivered and a lot more money than base price. But so do used boats, a Mason 44, 1990 may go for about 200K but if you want to do it right for world cruising you will find that she will need about 80k worth of new gear and repairs before you set off on your dream cruise.
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17-09-2011, 12:33
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#58
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CLOD
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: being planted in Jacksonville Fl
Boat: none
Posts: 20,415
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Re: New vs Old
Just what is an OLD boat anyway??????????? Starting at what year?
Or is this really about old STYLE verse new style. And if so what was does that mean?
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17-09-2011, 12:41
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#59
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Boat: Beneteau FIRST 42
Posts: 1,836
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Re: New vs Old
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Lucas
Just what is an OLD boat anyway??????????? Starting at what year?
Or is this really about old STYLE verse new style. And if so what was does that mean?
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those were my thoughts exactly... as , I think my boat is getting old but the style and performance issues are that of a newer boat.....
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17-09-2011, 12:46
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#60
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: New vs Old
catahuntebenelinas are NEW boats. all of em are. dont like the style, or lack thereof. they all look same.
i prefer ketches with clipper bows and some traditionality and uniqueness to them.
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