Lightweight, Non-Toxic, Good Looking and Relatively Inexpensive Panels?

[s/v Jedi]

Originally Posted by Chotu

hmmmmm. that’s not bad!

you have achieved a very clean look.

I think I need to research a little bit about how to do the cabinet faces and drawers and things like that. I believe that is part of where the minimalist Nordic or Scandinavian design comes in. It is derived from the faces, correct?

Show some pictures of what you mean… I get Ikea feelings with it, which is all vinyl wrapped…

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Show some pictures of what you mean… I get Ikea feelings with it, which is all vinyl wrapped…

The idea is simply to eliminate the framing from view.

It makes a clean look

[Chotu]

I have also considered using black curtains across the front of open shelf type cabinets. I know that doesn’t look as good or professional, but it sure reduces weight

[Chotu]

I should probably add that I do have all of these sheets of foam already and several sheets of Formica.

so I guess for at least some of this I should use that up. Maybe the bathroom vanity.

The pink stuff is good for cabinetry. The white is Divinycell I believe? If I remember correctly. That’s for my doors. I have temporary doors to the salon that need to be redone. then there is some green foam. I forget what that is but it’s another one like Divinycell. maybe airex i think.

[s/v Jedi]

Those are European style kitchens. The look is one aspect, cheap build is the other. This is because there are no face frames; doors and drawers go straight onto the carcass edges that get the iron-on veneer.

I can’t see how to make this light weight at all. If you use foam core then how to finish the edges? The regular failure is that the iron-on veneer comes off and that is on solid 3/4” thick plywood, not a foam cored panel.

I think you need to get examples from boat photos, not houses where weight is of no concern.

[Kd9truck]

Hey Chotu, I second the ikea cabinets. They are relatively cost effective , go together easily, and it will take the chore of keeping a homogenous look out of the mix. I would take the “build” a step further and glue seal all exposed edges and all joinery. I’m a fan of PL premium construction adhesive drys quick and holds like 10 men with no real odder but you must work really clean, it can be a tuff clean up.

I have some ikea in my salon as it was a good match with the factory build. I think ikea also sells luan panels in various sizes and colors that match their current color palettes in the designed kitchens for custom work.

[Wayne Gilham]

consider Richlite or PaperStone, both are pressed paper thoroughly infused with phenolic resin. do not need finishes, water impervious, resin is relatively benign and locked in. similar material to the phenolic infused linen that makes cheeks of the old English TufBlox, which last forever. easily worked with tungsten carbide tipped saw blades and router bits, very smooth cut and routered finishes. does NOT warp! available down to 1/8" or 3mm, which would be necessary to meet lightweight requirement, as Richlite anyway has specific gravity of 1.2 = heavier than water (will sink!). as I remember, Edensaw PtTownsend WA stocks it or can special order thinner stuff. NOT cheep!

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Those are European style kitchens. The look is one aspect, cheap build is the other. This is because there are no face frames; doors and drawers go straight onto the carcass edges that get the iron-on veneer.

I can’t see how to make this light weight at all. If you use foam core then how to finish the edges? The regular failure is that the iron-on veneer comes off and that is on solid 3/4” thick plywood, not a foam cored panel.

I think you need to get examples from boat photos, not houses where weight is of no concern.

Ok, here is the same style on boats.

basically if you go to any boat show and you step on the new boats, they all look like this.

note, I am not sure how to do this. Which is why I have a thread.

I do know that they are just mounted differently and the doors and drawer faces are larger, so they cover the carcass framing.

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by Kd9truck

Hey Chotu, I second the ikea cabinets. They are relatively cost effective , go together easily, and it will take the chore of keeping a homogenous look out of the mix. I would take the “build” a step further and glue seal all exposed edges and all joinery. I’m a fan of PL premium construction adhesive drys quick and holds like 10 men with no real odder but you must work really clean, it can be a tuff clean up.

I have some ikea in my salon as it was a good match with the factory build. I think ikea also sells luan panels in various sizes and colors that match their current color palettes in the designed kitchens for custom work.

PL premium is pretty good stuff. I have used it in a number of places. It holds my solar panels on and held them through 120 mph sustained winds in hurricane Ian. It holds my auto helm pump mount in place. Stuff is great. I agree.

but are you suggesting actual IKEA cabinetry? Like cutting that to fit the shape of the hull? It’s way too heavy. I can’t have that kind of weight. You have to picture of a piece of Styrofoam. That’s how heavy my cabinetry needs to be. Even better if it weighs as much as air (as in doesn’t exist)

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by Wayne Gilham

consider Richlite or PaperStone, both are pressed paper thoroughly infused with phenolic resin. do not need finishes, water impervious, resin is relatively benign and locked in. similar material to the phenolic infused linen that makes cheeks of the old English TufBlox, which last forever. easily worked with tungsten carbide tipped saw blades and router bits, very smooth cut and routered finishes. does NOT warp! available down to 1/8" or 3mm, which would be necessary to meet lightweight requirement, as Richlite anyway has specific gravity of 1.2 = heavier than water (will sink!). as I remember, Edensaw PtTownsend WA stocks it or can special order thinner stuff. NOT cheep!

I just took a look at these. They might be a little bit outside of the budget range. I just saw a piece of paper stone that would be used for a countertop and it was over $1000 just for the piece. i’m not operating at that kind of budget unfortunately. there is a lot of work to do on the boat so I need to use a little bit more readily available materials. There is basically no interior yet. using that stuff would bankrupt me

[Chotu]

would I be doing the boat a great disservice if I used curtains instead?

Or just left everything as open shelves with a face plate like this? But also made it look nice like those pics of kitchens and galleys i showed?



The open cabinetry is the lightest weight of all

[s/v Jedi]

You can have it cheap or you can have it light weight, not both.

Curtains instead of doors and drawers?

[Kd9truck]

Originally Posted by Chotu

PL premium is pretty good stuff. I have used it in a number of places. It holds my solar panels on and held them through 120 mph sustained winds in hurricane Ian. It holds my auto helm pump mount in place. Stuff is great. I agree.

but are you suggesting actual IKEA cabinetry? Like cutting that to fit the shape of the hull? It’s way too heavy. I can’t have that kind of weight. You have to picture of a piece of Styrofoam. That’s how heavy my cabinetry needs to be. Even better if it weighs as much as air (as in doesn’t exist)

Yes, Not all ikea stuff is particle board, never thought I’d be defending IKEA lol.
I put a pine cabnet from ikea in my boat that was very light, then stuffed it with tools right over my keel lol. I have lots of soft fabric organizer stuff from ikea and believe it or not some chef quality knives and kitchen gear.

I needed strong but light, so pine gave me that structural integrity.

So you want light as air, then in the pre fab rout I would suggest the aluminum rolling open organizers that are purposed for art/project materials then skin the outside with the foam.

This stuff(link bellow ) is very light I have these in my (now sewing) studio, but not sure how durable it would be on a rocket. lol

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/lennart...hite-30326177/

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

You can have it cheap or you can have it light weight, not both.

Curtains instead of doors and drawers?

yeah, I guess not with the curtains. I always strive to find ways to make things lighter weight. Maybe that one is just too ugly

but you can definitely have lightweight and cheap.

i’ve already done stick frame with the plywood you used.

i’ve also done xps foam and formica faces. both lightweight and relatively cheap. creativity is involved, however.

What about the open concept cabinet? still too ugly?

[Chotu]

Originally Posted by Kd9truck

Yes, Not all ikea stuff is particle board, never thought I’d be defending IKEA lol.
I put a pine cabnet from ikea in my boat that was very light, then stuffed it with tools right over my keel lol. I have lots of soft fabric organizer stuff from ikea and believe it or not some chef quality knives and kitchen gear.

I needed strong but light, so pine gave me that structural integrity.

So you want light as air, then in the pre fab rout I would suggest the aluminum rolling open organizers that are purposed for art/project materials then skin the outside with the foam.

I do enjoy IKEA actually. It’s a good thing. I agree with you. I just need extra extra light weight cabinetry that is built into the curvature of the hull. Square things don’t actually work at all. I have to use a tick stick and cut to the hull curvature and install fixed to the hulls