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16-04-2021, 20:48
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Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Gympie
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Just get a survey
Seriously if you don't know anything, very little or are just madly in love with the boat your buying get an out of water survey.
I met a lovely couple yesterday that purchased a very old timber yacht for a substantial five figure sum with no survey and its a project alright.
This was the first time they had seen the yacht out of the water and the worm eaten rudder below tells most of the story and the interior and deck is not much better. There was a few tears and I bet a few hard words in private.
Cheers
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16-04-2021, 21:17
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Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Australia
Boat: Milkraft 60 ex trawler
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Re: Just get a survey
Jebus, don't even need a surveyor to see that's a problem.
Out of water inspection by a blind man prior to parting with the coin would have sussed that
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16-04-2021, 21:21
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Back in Northern California working on the Ranch
Boat: Pearson 365 Sloop and 9' Fatty Knees.
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Re: Just get a survey
I'm sure they were told to get a survey too!
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16-04-2021, 21:56
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
Posts: 21,156
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Re: Just get a survey
Nope, that's not gonna buff out! Poor buggers...
Jim
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16-04-2021, 22:58
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Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Anacortes, Washington
Boat: Ta Shing - Baba 35
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Re: Just get a survey
I’ve had surveys, and bought boats without them. If I have the time to thoroughly check everything out, I find out more or less what the surveyor finds.
Instead of saying that I would say, be well aware of your limitations and plan to cover those weaknesses some other way.
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17-04-2021, 08:54
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Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Point Richmond, CA
Boat: Hunter 46
Posts: 777
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Re: Just get a survey
Ouch!!............even an in the water survey by a compentent diver would have detected this issue. Wonder why the broker, if they had one, did not recommed a purchase contingent on a survey (and I mean multiple surveys including hull, engine and electrical and mechanical) for that kind of money since any repair is liklu going to be 10x the survey cost, if a repair issue was discovered. Oh well, it is only money so you got to love spending money to restore an old boat.
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17-04-2021, 09:29
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Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: San Leon, Texas
Boat: Knysna 440 once I get my new dock and the canal gets dredged
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Re: Just get a survey
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fore and Aft
Seriously if you don't know anything, very little or are just madly in love with the boat your buying get an out of water survey.
I met a lovely couple yesterday that purchased a very old timber yacht for a substantial five figure sum with no survey and its a project alright.
This was the first time they had seen the yacht out of the water and the worm eaten rudder below tells most of the story and the interior and deck is not much better. There was a few tears and I bet a few hard words in private.
Cheers
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Something tells me they're not going to be so lovely after sorting that mess out and they may not even be a couple
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17-04-2021, 09:34
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Skagit City, WA
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Re: Just get a survey
Broker: "That'll buff right out"
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17-04-2021, 09:47
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SC
Boat: None,build the one shown of glass, had many from 6' to 48'.
Posts: 10,208
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Re: Just get a survey
She looks like kindling wood. I have sympathy for the buyer laying out money for a wooden boat with age on her and no survey.
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17-04-2021, 09:49
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Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Anacortes, Washington
Boat: Ta Shing - Baba 35
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Re: Just get a survey
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheechako
Broker: "That'll buff right out"
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Hahahaha, yeah. Got one a boat with a broker once stepping around on a squishy deck with the sound of water squirting through small passages with every step. He didn’t seem to think it was a problem. Heck man, you could have disclosed that before I drove 3 hours? Never looked at another boat thru those guys.
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17-04-2021, 10:03
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: SC
Boat: None,build the one shown of glass, had many from 6' to 48'.
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Re: Just get a survey
Quote:
Originally Posted by Orin
Hahahaha, yeah. Got one a boat with a broker once stepping around on a squishy deck with the sound of water squirting through small passages with every step. He didn’t seem to think it was a problem. Heck man, you could have disclosed that before I drove 3 hours? Never looked at another boat thru those guys.
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Used car salesmen need something to do.
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17-04-2021, 11:11
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Portland Oregon
Boat: Leopard 45
Posts: 325
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Re: Just get a survey
Survey? Who needs a survey? a little putty a little duck tape and you're on your way!
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17-04-2021, 11:43
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Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 20
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Re: Just get a survey
I would argue that if you need a survey to tell you that literally half of the rudder had rotted away, that you do not need to be a boat owner.
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17-04-2021, 14:37
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: cruising SW Pacific
Boat: Jon Sayer 1-off 46 ft fract rig sloop strip plank in W Red Cedar
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Re: Just get a survey
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRob
I would argue that if you need a survey to tell you that literally half of the rudder had rotted away, that you do not need to be a boat owner.
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I had a similar thought, TR. I would have thought that swinging the tiller back and forth would have felt so damn strange that I'd have investigated further.
But I do feel sorry for these poor folks, and a bit critical of the vendor.
Jim
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17-04-2021, 14:59
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Moderator and Certifiable Refitter
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: South of 43 S, Australia
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Re: Just get a survey
There goes one happy seller.
Very sad for the buyer.
I wonder if there were any brokers involved.
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