Cruisers Forum

  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 24-08-2006, 20:09   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Fiji
Boat: Westsail - CC - 42
Posts: 339
Is "Extortion" still alive in boat yards in Florida?

I thought years ago PS did a piece on what things were legal and illegal for boat yards. If memory serves me correct they couldn't charge you for an outside contractor. The could require proof of insurance. Now; however, I know my memory isn't always serving me anymore. So, does anyone know the "legal" scoop of this practice and if I'm correct the whearabouts for the "complaint" department.

I have a hard time imagining a landlord getting away w/ charging a tennet when they hire someone to do some work for them. But then again, when we mention boat there are a lot more hands that go out than there are pockets to put them in.
Fair Winds
dkall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-08-2006, 21:26   #2

Posts: n/a
Around here (Western Washington) the relationship between yards and contractors is usually "you scratch my back, I scratch yours". In other words, yards like contractors, and vice versa, because they have the potential to bring in extra work for which the contractor is not qualified.

Relationships are not always smooth though.

My wife works for a yard who banned a local boat repair contractor that worked out of his van. The reason? He would attempt to undercut the yard by pitching himself to other boats already in the yard. Pitching to customers like "I can fix that, and I have a lower hourly rate." A few times he said it in front of a yard employee! Not exactly the smartest business move on his part.

Hence, the yard owner banned him.

Never heard of anything legal or illegal regarding contractors. And, I have never heard a yard "charging extra" for bringing in contractors.

But then again, no yard is short on business in these parts.
  Reply With Quote
Old 25-08-2006, 03:35   #3
Registered User
Sunspot Baby's Avatar

Join Date: May 2003
Location: New Bern, NC
Boat: Prout Manta 38' Catamaran - Sunspot Baby
Posts: 1,521
Images: 14
In 2001, I hauled my boat at Lauderdale Marine. They allowed DIY and work by their "approved" contractors, but not by other outside services. Most of the approved contractors had facilities at the yard. The one I used to service my sail drives seemed knowledgeable and prices were not out of line.

She took my address and my name
Put my credit to shame
Sunspot Baby, sure had a real good time
Bob Seger
Sunspot Baby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-08-2006, 04:23   #4
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2006
Boat: MacGregor 26M Lynx
Posts: 352
Florida has been known to take advantage of people. I shop around for a person that I can trust before asking for prices.

So, about marina's. Some of them will take just about anybody and some will only take ones with insurance and some have an approved list and others will not take any at all. Some will let you do more than clean the boat and most will not.

General, you bet.
Too many problems from unskilled labor.

I have chosen to have the new work done by pro's and then replace it myself. That way I expect that it will be done to the highest standards. (and i hope it will not break when i push it to far)
Lynx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-08-2006, 04:41   #5
Senior Cruiser
GordMay's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 48,328
Images: 241
I must be misunderstanding, when I read: “... I have chosen to have the new work done by pro's and then replace it myself ...”.

A “professional” is someone who charges for their work.

A “qualified professional” is someone whose work you shouldn’t expect to replace.

I generally recommend the latter.
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"

GordMay is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 25-08-2006, 05:16   #6
Senior Cruiser
Jeff H's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Annapolis, Maryland
Boat: Farr 11.6 (AKA Farr 38) Synergy
Posts: 569
Images: 13
Boatyards have a right to do what ever they want in terms of outside contrators as long as they advise you of their policy prior to hauling out your boat. Advising you may be as simple as a sign in the office, or a sign on the gate. It may be in the fine print in the contract that you filled out when you agreed to have your boat hauled out.

The arrangement that you mention is pretty traditional although it varies in extent. Some yards require that they do all work below the toe rail while others have more extensive or less extensive rules.

If you wish to use outside contractors, you need to ask the yard in advance to be certain that you can. I typically will also ask the yard about specific contractors and ask my contractor about the yard in case there is bad blood between the contractor and the yard.

In the end, if you don't like a yard's policy go somewhere else.

Jeff H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-08-2006, 06:34   #7

Posts: n/a
Another policy that seems to be typical in these parts, is that the contractor must abide by the environmental rules. Mostly rules set by the state. If the yard catches a contractor not complying, there will be a few warnings followed by "you can't work in this yard anymore, sorry." I've seen that happen a couple times.

Heck I have even seen a few DIY customers banned from the yard for grinding bottom paint without a tent or dust collection. ...but I digress.

Yards seem to have wide lattitude on policies regarding contractors.
  Reply With Quote
Old 25-08-2006, 14:29   #8

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 15,136
Dkall, what is LEGAL is one thing. What your contract with the yard allows, prohibits, or defines, is quite something else. If the contract says no DIY, then yes, that's now legal and defined as such under contract law. If the contract is silent on the subject...then you are free to do as you please, subject only to the rest of the contract terms--which might also give them the right to throw you out on 48 hours notice.

"Legal" isn't the issue.
hellosailor is offline   Reply With Quote


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Selecting the Ideal Liveaboard Monohull Sailboat Stede Liveaboard's Forum 50 21-07-2011 12:43
Do Boats Have 'Souls' ? sail_the_stars General Sailing Forum 77 14-11-2010 15:25
is there a huge difference in price between... fujiwara takumi General Sailing Forum 10 26-08-2004 03:18
Changing the Boat's Name sjs General Sailing Forum 4 24-05-2004 08:15

Advertise Here

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:48.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.