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Old 26-08-2019, 16:55   #106
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Yes, I know. Done project management in my professional life, program management too (supervising multinational IT software and IT infrastructure projects in carve outs, merger and acquisitions for large companies, outsourcing and offshoring projects among others in big distributed teams) I am pretty aware what this tools and methods are and what they can do and what they can't.

Love the simplicity of boat projects. Much more satisfying at the end of the day seeing the progress...

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It is very satisfying when you find you can convert a "V" belt pulley to a cable pulley and save $150 per pulley!!

AND I didn't use CAD to do that either!!
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Old 26-08-2019, 18:53   #107
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None. That's why it took an estimated 20 years or so to build vs the 5 years it took to build the Burj Khalifa which is 6 times the size of the Great Pyramid of Giza and indescribably more technically complex.


So yeah. Modern planning methods work.
Of course they work - when used for use when needed....

But, you should do your math -

- Burj Khalifa total weight 450,000 tonnes
- Great Pyramid of Giza total weight 6,008,000 tonnes.

That makes it 13 times more massive and hand carried.

So if you want to make a more correct contrast we would have needed to carry the 110,000 tonnes of concrete used in the Burj Khalifa up on workers backs rather than using a special high pressure concrete pump.

There is such a thing as over dependence in computers.

Or as Darth Vader would say:

Don’t be too proud of this technological terror you’ve constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
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Old 27-08-2019, 00:00   #108
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May the force be with you padawan!
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Talk about thread drift. We’ve ended up in a galaxy far, far away.
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May the force be with you padawan!
What a time waster you are!

I've just spent the last half hour looking for a comment by padawan and could not find one. So then I googled "May the force be with you" and found:

How many times do they say may the force be with you in Star Wars?
"May the Force be with you" is used 16 times in the 7 movies. "May the Force be with us" is spoken twice and "The Force will be with you" is also used twice.

Then I googled " padawan" and got:

A Padawan is a learner or apprentice. The term can refer specifically to a Jedi apprentice within the Star Wars universe. It can also be used more generally to refer to a trainee, a beginner, or an inexperienced person.

No wonder GiLow complains about thread drift!

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What a time waster you are!

I've just spent the last half hour looking for a comment by padawan and could not find one. So then I googled "May the force be with you" and found:

How many times do they say may the force be with you in Star Wars?
"May the Force be with you" is used 16 times in the 7 movies. "May the Force be with us" is spoken twice and "The Force will be with you" is also used twice.

Then I googled " padawan" and got:

A Padawan is a learner or apprentice. The term can refer specifically to a Jedi apprentice within the Star Wars universe. It can also be used more generally to refer to a trainee, a beginner, or an inexperienced person.

No wonder GiLow complains about thread drift!

(I've now got you on IGNORE [emoji3])
Wow! Thank you for the credits and the explanation.
Glad you didn't google Darth Vader.

Back on topic. I still prefer paper over computers when getting dirty on boat projects. Don't want to touch a pc keyboard or mouse, phone or tablet with oily, greasy, painted or sikaflex stained fingers to look for the next step.

Even I have all documentation and schematics downloaded on all my devices, I print out some of the important diagrams to have a paper around to look at or even write corrections on when working at the boat instead of booting up a device.

Do not underestimate the value of paper based tools.

I am also reluctant to outsource my brain to google drive and the like.

When you write something down on paper, you think more about it and finally you don't need the paper later, or if, you can easier recall the reason behind your writing or drawing. It is a cognitive process.

If you feed a tool, you feed a tool and twist your brain to how to squeeze your idea in a given format to satisfy the software instead of developing the idea further.
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Old 27-08-2019, 03:24   #112
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I'm wondering how many man hours have been lost figuring out how to prioritise the man hours on this project?

I have a bob each way... I keep a record on paper in my A4 work book.... and use electronics ie.. the internet ... to ask 'My Man in Montt' how things are going.....

Latest report suggests we are 'set to splash' within the week.... and sail soon after...

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I'm wondering how many man hours have been lost figuring out how to prioritise the man hours on this project?

I have a bob each way... I keep a record on paper in my A4 work book.... and use electronics ie.. the internet ... to ask 'My Man in Montt' how things are going.....

Latest report suggests we are 'set to splash' within the week.... and sail soon after...

Ping
In Transit.
Oh come on E.P., it has been very entertaining. And you have to love the Star Wars paraphrasing. I reckon the poetic license from CatNewBee was perfectly valid too.

But, regarding the original thread, I started using Trello a week back now (or thereabouts) and it is working perfectly. So B23iL23 and Longhorn are now officially legends and I owe each of them a beer or two.

I am travelling around with my old IPad, which fits really neatly in the fold down center seat combination cup-holder, notepad box in the van. (Score one for Toyota Hiace there.) I stopped at Bunnies on my way home and after consulting the list went in and got all I needed. Back to the van, updated the list before I drove off, and away I went.

Yeah, I know, you are probably saying that could have been done with a notepad, but I KNOW myself well, and I promise you, the notepad would currently be sitting at the nav station on the boat, or maybe fluttering around in the cockpit.

As for your situation, I wish I had a "Man in Montt". Or to be more precise, about 20 men in Adelaide, or women for that matter. Anyone to help would just be fine.

Old galley is out, and check out the list to starboard the boat has developed! That's just from removing the benchtops and the drawers. The stove and fridge are still in position.
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I hear you, but I have to say... Trello is the goods if you are in my particular situation.
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May the force be with you padawan!
Actually, I think the better Star Wars phrase might be....

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."
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Actually, I think the better Star Wars phrase might be....

"I've got a bad feeling about this..."
"Do, or do not. There is no try."―Yoda to Luke Skywalker*—

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Yeah! I am a legend somewhere, even if it is just on CF!

Anyway good to see Trello fits the bill. It's not 'perfect', but it does what it says on the tin. And as you say, you have it with you all the time. It's on your phone, your ipad, laptop and I also share with the crew so they can update the lists too.



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Oh come on E.P., it has been very entertaining. And you have to love the Star Wars paraphrasing. I reckon the poetic license from CatNewBee was perfectly valid too.

But, regarding the original thread, I started using Trello a week back now (or thereabouts) and it is working perfectly. So B23iL23 and Longhorn are now officially legends and I owe each of them a beer or two.

I am travelling around with my old IPad, which fits really neatly in the fold down center seat combination cup-holder, notepad box in the van. (Score one for Toyota Hiace there.) I stopped at Bunnies on my way home and after consulting the list went in and got all I needed. Back to the van, updated the list before I drove off, and away I went.

Yeah, I know, you are probably saying that could have been done with a notepad, but I KNOW myself well, and I promise you, the notepad would currently be sitting at the nav station on the boat, or maybe fluttering around in the cockpit.

As for your situation, I wish I had a "Man in Montt". Or to be more precise, about 20 men in Adelaide, or women for that matter. Anyone to help would just be fine.

Old galley is out, and check out the list to starboard the boat has developed! That's just from removing the benchtops and the drawers. The stove and fridge are still in position.
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Why, you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking*nerf herder! I find your lack of faith disturbing. . .

Can **your** ship make the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs?

I’m just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe. Never tell me the odds. . .
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Yeah! I am a legend somewhere, even if it is just on CF!

Anyway good to see Trello fits the bill. It's not 'perfect', but it does what it says on the tin. And as you say, you have it with you all the time. It's on your phone, your ipad, laptop and I also share with the crew so they can update the lists too.
Well, there's a beer or two (or nine) for you if you make it Oz, or if I make it to your part of the world.
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