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Old 04-08-2018, 05:52   #1
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Anti-fouling: why are these quotes so far apart?

I have just bought a 38' catamaran, located in Hong Kong, and am needing to get the hulls anti-fouled again.


I have got two quotations, and the price difference is really large!



The first quote (attached) was for HKD 44,000 (USD 5,600):


The second quote (attached) was for HKD 22,000 (USD 2,800), half the cost!!

Ok, the first includes some anodes. But the only real difference I can see is the type of anti foul paint used.


This is the first time I have done this type of thing. Can someone explain what, if any, difference there might be between these two quotes, and why they are so far apart?


Also, what questions should I be asking about these quotes to try and determine what the difference is?


I would be appreciative of any observations or suggestions.
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:41   #2
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Re: Anti-fouling: why are these quotes so far apart?

Well I do see some questions on the higher quote.

Capt and crew charge + 3 day slip charge $13,800 vs $6,600 for lift, launch, etc which is essentially the same services so a difference of $7,200.

The cheaper quote doesn't include the cost of replacing the zincs so you will have to add that in. I might suggest that changing zincs is usually a 5-10 minute do it yourself job so why not do that one yourself?

One quotes $4550 for props and shafts, the other $3000.

One quotes $19,890 for clean and paint, the other $12,500.

One question, what's the local reputation of the yards? Both do good work? Does the cheaper yard have a reputation for finding "extras" to add onto the bill that will change the final cost?
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Old 04-08-2018, 08:21   #3
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Re: Anti-fouling: why are these quotes so far apart?

Any particular reason why you just can't have the boat hauled, power washed, and set aside for a couple days so you can paint it yourself and replace the zincs? Save yourself thousands.
If only full service yards are your choice use that which has the best reputation for honest work rather than the cheapest if they have a shady reputation.
In either case ensure you can be on site while all work is performed.
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In either case ensure you can be on site while all work is performed.
Absolutely!

Even the best and most honest boat yards can get a little slack and find a few more things to add to the bill when the owner isn't actively overseeing the job.
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Old 06-08-2018, 02:37   #5
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Re: Anti-fouling: why are these quotes so far apart?

thanks for your thoughts, @skipmac!


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Well I do see some questions on the higher quote.

Capt and crew charge + 3 day slip charge $13,800 vs $6,600 for lift, launch, etc which is essentially the same services so a difference of $7,200.

lucky you mentioned this. i questioned this, and apparently the cheaper quote does not include the capt/crew to take the boat to the haulout.


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The cheaper quote doesn't include the cost of replacing the zincs so you will have to add that in. I might suggest that changing zincs is usually a 5-10 minute do it yourself job so why not do that one yourself?
this would be a good suggestion, except for a few things. firstly, the boat is in hongkong, and i am in indonesia, and i can only spend a certain amount of time away from my business. secondly, i have not done any work on a fibreglass boat ever, and don't want to start practising at this point! thirdly, i have not lifted a hand tool for more than 25 years, and don't want to practise on a boat that is preparing for a long passage. certainly, i'll be increasingly hands-on with these type of jobs as time goes on, but not yet!



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One quotes $4550 for props and shafts, the other $3000.
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One quotes $19,890 for clean and paint, the other $12,500.
yes. this seems to be one major difference, and they are using the same paint and the same number of coats.



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One question, what's the local reputation of the yards? Both do good work? Does the cheaper yard have a reputation for finding "extras" to add onto the bill that will change the final cost?
good question, but difficult to find out. i am not a local in hongkong, and cannot find unbiased information.
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Re: Anti-fouling: why are these quotes so far apart?

thanks @orieon Jim!


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Any particular reason why you just can't have the boat hauled, power washed, and set aside for a couple days so you can paint it yourself and replace the zincs? Save yourself thousands.

indeed. i wish i could. but i have zero experience, and the boat has to be ready for a major passage to my home country very soon. not the time to be experimenting and getting experience.


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In either case ensure you can be on site while all work is performed.
ok, this seems to be a theme. i shall now definitely need to make sure i am there for this work.
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Absolutely!

Even the best and most honest boat yards can get a little slack and find a few more things to add to the bill when the owner isn't actively overseeing the job.

noted!!!
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Re: Anti-fouling: why are these quotes so far apart?

I need to go to HK to start antifouling boats LOL
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I need to go to HK to start antifouling boats LOL
it seems like a good racket.
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