Welp, the tarriffs are real

[Montanan]

USMCA Qualification

In order for a good to qualify for duty-free treatment under the USMCA, a good must (i) be “originating,” meaning it must be produced primarily in the United States, Canada or Mexico, and (ii) meet specific “rules of origin” requirements that typically involve a certain percentage of the product's value being sourced from within the North American region, with the specific percentage depending on the product category.

Put more simply, a significant portion of the good's production and materials must come from within the USMCA countries to qualify for duty-free treatment.

Some of the key considerations for USMCA qualification include:

Originating Goods – a good is considered “originating” if (i) it is produced entirely in one of the USMCA countries, or (ii) if it is produced using a combination of materials from all three countries but meets the specific rules of origin for that product category.
Rules of Origin (ROO) – the ROOs are detailed regulations that set forth how much of a product's value must come from North America to qualify as originating.
Regional Value Content (RVC) – this is the percentage of a product's value that must be sourced from within the USMCA region to qualify.

Different from the prior North American Free Trade Agreement requirements, the USMCA does not require a specific certificate of origin form (the CBP Form 434 is no longer in use, but CBP has made available on its website an optional certification of origin template for the USMCA and other trade agreements). Instead, a claim for preferential treatment can be made on an invoice or other document, including the necessary data elements to prove origin (which include the nine data elements listed on Annex 5-A to USMCA Chapter 5).

The importer of record is responsible for properly declaring the value, classification and country of origin of entered products, as well as paying duties, taxes and other fees. Importers must maintain documentation supporting customs declarations, including USMCA originating status, for five years. Any false statements about the country of origin or legal compliance with trade agreements can trigger enforcement under the federal False Claims Act, leading to severe civil and criminal penalties that may include treble damages.


https://www.haynesboone.com/news/alerts/new-usmca-tariff-exemptions-and-requirements-for-usmca-qualification

[SailingInfidels]

Originally Posted by Montanan

I believe the Beta 35 is made from Kubota diesel engine and many of Kubota's engines are made in the USA.

I would challenge them to provide country of origin documentation and ask for copy of the tariff duty payment form.

Request transparency of the Liberation Day charges.


Lincolnshire, IL
Kubota manufactures tractor engines in the United States at Kubota Engine America, headquartered in Lincolnshire, IL. The facility in Illinois produces diesel engines and spark-ignition engines. It has been operational since 1982 and has produced over 200,000 engines.

According to AI: The Beta 35 engine is based on a Kubota engine, which is sourced from Japan. The assembly and additional modifications, such as adding gearboxes and other components, are done in the UK, specifically near Gloucester.







However, the plant in Illinois that you mention may be similar to the one in the UK, but the tariffs may be just for the engine manufactured in Japan.

[NPCampbell]

Originally Posted by GordMay

American dairy exports DO face strict import limits, under Canada’s “Tariff Rate Quota” [TRQ] system.
Canada’s supply management system, which dates back to the 1970s, has restricted foreign access to the Canadian dairy market, in order to protect domestic producers, and set quality standards for products.

Under the TRQ, Canada accepts a certain amount of dairy products duty-free, without tariffs.
Above and beyond that cap, American exports are charged a tariff, in the realm of 250-270%.
To date, 100 per cent of U.S. dairy imports to Canada, were made free of tariff.

They are a common trade mechanism, that countries use to protect vulnerable industries. For instance, the U.S. tariffs additional sugar imports, the same way Canada restricts dairy.

For example, Canada places a tariff of 7.5% on many milk and cream products, if they are “within access commitment,” meaning the items do not exceed the agreed-upon cap.
If an importer wants to go over that threshold, they face a tariff of between 241% and nearly 300%, according to the federal customs tariff schedule.

Dairy only makes up a tiny fraction of American exports to Canada.
The Office of the United States Trade Representative values US exports to Canada at $762 billion last year. Of that, dairy comprised 0.1%, or $1 billion.
Comparatively, the USDA estimates the US. exported more than $28 billion in agricultural products to Canada, last year.
The value of American dairy exports to Canada, since CUSMA came into effect in 2020, has increased by almost 50%, totalling more than US$1 billion last year, That’s nearly triple what Canada sold to the US, in 2024.

When it comes to tariffs on Canada, I believe Trump has been wrong (and I'm a conservative). I think Canada has every right to tariff US dairy. Agriculture in the US is very heavily subsidized. Within agriculture, dairy is 3rd on the list of subsidies behind sugar and cotton. Tariffs are the typical tool to protect local industries from unfair foreign competition. This is why Canada is justified in tariffs on US dairy.

However, for many other countries, Trump is justified in applying tariffs:

China: With the Made in China 2025 plan, there have been TRILLIONS in subsidies. These subsidies might be to "boost local production" but that all goes out the window when it is used to subsidize industries that predominantly export their goods.

EU: The EU has a wide range of tariffs on US products that are not subsidized. i.e. 10% tariffs on US autos vs 2.5% tariff on EU cars.

India + Brazil: Both have heavy tariffs on US good with no retaliatory tariffs.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by GordMay

American dairy exports DO face strict import limits, under Canada’s “Tariff Rate Quota” [TRQ] system.

A somehwat important fact ...
The US has never come close to those "import limits" and thus has never paid that tariff. In real terms (as opposed to political terms) it's tariff free.

[s/v Jedi]

Y’all are playing the game they want you to play, on the playing field that they want you to stay on. They herd you like sheep and they are succeeding, you go at each other instead of at your politicians.

You have lost your freedom just like Huxley described in the ‘30’s. You may have missed that because his book was heavily censored by…. the politicians

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

A somehwat important fact ...
The US has never come close to those "import limits" and thus has never paid that tariff. In real terms (as opposed to political terms) it's tariff free.

You do realize that t he 50k tons of liquid milk is nothing not even a small bucket compared to the 11,300,000 tons american cows produce annually.

[HeinSdL]

Originally Posted by s/v Jedi

Y’all are playing the game they want you to play, on the playing field that they want you to stay on. They herd you like sheep and they are succeeding, you go at each other instead of at your politicians.

You have lost your freedom just like Huxley described in the ‘30’s. You may have missed that because his book was heavily censored by…. the politicians

That's exactly it, let's argue amongst ourselves about all these very critical topics (covid/vaccines, Ukraine, Israel, Trump and his policies, etc) while the politicians, the facade of the establishment, are in fact totally united.

[Mike OReilly]

Originally Posted by HeinSdL

That's exactly it, let's argue amongst ourselves about all these very critical topics (covid/vaccines, Ukraine, Israel, Trump and his policies, etc) while the politicians, the facade of the establishment, are in fact totally united.

Indeed. It's the shinny distracting thing -- "LOOK HERE, LOOK HERE!"

Meanwhile, the US democracy is being dismantled from the inside, and all other institutions that can stand up to autocracy are being attacked. It's right out of Dictatorship 101; first attack the media, then go after the elites, the educators, and especially the universities. Destroy the independent institutional bureaucracies, then go after the courts. And finally, go after the people by manufacturing a crisis to put troops in the streets.

Does any of this sound recently familiar?

As I've said from the outset, all this tariff stuff is bad for the world, but we'll all find away to get over it. It is far worse to be an American these days -- at least one who values freedom and democratic ideals.

[davil]

Off topic

Plagiarism is the act of presenting another person's work, ideas, or words as one's own without proper attribution



Sorry Ann


The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people do nothing.

[GordMay]

If you steal ideas, from only one person, it is called plagiarism.
If you steal, from many people, it is called research.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by newhaul

You do realize that t he 50k tons of liquid milk is nothing not even a small bucket compared to the 11,300,000 tons american cows produce annually.

Not our fault you can't get anywhere near the limit with your heavily subsidized milk.

What would be fair is if Canada set a milk tariff to match your subsidies ... that would be a level playing field I think.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Mike OReilly

Indeed. It's the shinny distracting thing -- "LOOK HERE, LOOK HERE!"

Meanwhile, the US democracy is being dismantled from the inside, and all other institutions that can stand up to autocracy are being attacked. It's right out of Dictatorship 101; first attack the media, then go after the elites, the educators, and especially the universities. Destroy the independent institutional bureaucracies, then go after the courts. And finally, go after the people by manufacturing a crisis to put troops in the streets.

Does any of this sound recently familiar?

As I've said from the outset, all this tariff stuff is bad for the world, but we'll all find away to get over it. It is far worse to be an American these days -- at least one who values freedom and democratic ideals.

Wrong just so incorrect.

America is not a democracy we are a constitutional republic. There is a major difference
A democracy ( what the democratic party wants) seems to always devolve into an authoritative form of government just like socialist government..

Many of our elected democrats officially call themselves democratic socialist.
Last thing to keep in mind is Germany in the 1930s.
The party that was voted into power was the German workers socialist party. ( NAZI PARTY) .

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by newhaul

Wrong just so incorrect.

America is not a democracy we are a constitutional republic. There is a major difference
A democracy ( what the democratic party wants) seems to always devolve into an authoritative form of government just like socialist government..

Many of our elected democrats officially call themselves democratic socialist.
Last thing to keep in mind is Germany in the 1930s.
The party that was voted into power was the German workers socialist party. ( NAZI PARTY) .

Go far enough around the circle to the right and you meet the far left. Your right has just met up with the Nazi's

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

Not our fault you can't get anywhere near the limit with your heavily subsidized milk.

What would be fair is if Canada set a milk tariff to match your subsidies ... that would be a level playing field I think.

Canada does subsidize its dairy farmers to a degree in addition to supply quotas that are ment to give government control of supplies and thereby prices.

The subsidy is only 250 million but it's still a subsidy
Yes America does the same to the tune of 22 billion
Canada's milk production is just under 10% of the quantity America produces annually.
The sheer numbers show that Canada's milk subsidy ( they call it direct payments) is considerably higher per gallon of milk

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

Go far enough around the circle to the right and you meet the far left. Your right has just met up with the Nazi's

You are 100% incorrect.
Canada is much closer to the authoritarian government that Germany had through the mid 1940s.