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Old 01-12-2024, 13:29   #1
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Perkins 4.108 - I'm thinking I am overpropped

This boat has always had an overheat alarm if we pushed her too hard. I recently replaced a clogged up mixing elbow and was wondering if the issue would go away but it has not. At 1750 rpm there are no issues, she putts along at 7.5kts (speed not verified by GPS) and water temp is 170 ish degrees. If I rev up to 2k, which also appears to be WOT) it'll go 8 kts but the water temp will start to go up.

Only reving to 2k seems a bit low for the Perkins. Granted I am overdue for bottom paint so the bottom wasn't super clean but it still seems like I am overpropped.
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Re: Perkins 4.108 - I'm thinking I am overpropped

It does indeed sound like you’re overpropped but there’s also the fact some heat exchangers on 4-108’s are fairly incompetent. This is for a variety of reasons and the first is that by design its a straight through (single pass) tube stack. Other engines use a 2 or 3 pass tube stack to get the best out of the core, imagine a car radiator with just the centre exposed to full airflow and the perimeter with no airflow… runs at thermostat temp till you meet a hill on a hot day…. then the temp climbs, same with the perkins core and seawater. Second problem is the coolant side of the core, I think it makes a difference if the round holes in the outer sleeve are mis aligned but more importantly the support casting baffle in the housing ( about mid tube) seems to corrode away leaving a gap that allows the coolant to bypass the outside of the bundle rather than weave its way in and around the tubes ….defeating effective heat rejection/exchange. Finally, raw water flow is a biggy, that pump needs to be in good nick with all of its impeller blades intact, cover and end plates smooth and unworn , correct and unworn cam and no suction restriction. You can test the pump flow by filling a bucket with a known volume of water, putting the seawater pump suction hose in it and running the engine at idle and timing till empty then at say 2000rpm and timing again, then, if you want to experiment further, re connect the seawater suction and do the same tests at the exhaust outlet and time the fill.
These are just some of the weaknesses in the cooling system, but parasitic loads ( dirty prop, large output or multiple alternators, overpropped etc) and an engine thats lost power ( loose or tight valves, bad timing etc) can all make it seem that the boat is overpropped.
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Old 03-12-2024, 12:22   #3
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Re: Perkins 4.108 - I'm thinking I am overpropped

Many 4108 engines have had their heat exchanger replaced with a larger one. Over heating at full load is common.
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Re: Perkins 4.108 - I'm thinking I am overpropped

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This boat has always had an overheat alarm if we pushed her too hard. I recently replaced a clogged up mixing elbow and was wondering if the issue would go away but it has not. At 1750 rpm there are no issues, she putts along at 7.5kts (speed not verified by GPS) and water temp is 170 ish degrees. If I rev up to 2k, which also appears to be WOT) it'll go 8 kts but the water temp will start to go up.

Only reving to 2k seems a bit low for the Perkins. Granted I am overdue for bottom paint so the bottom wasn't super clean but it still seems like I am overpropped.
Isn't that engine supposed to hit like 4000 rpm?
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Old 03-12-2024, 20:43   #5
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Re: Perkins 4.108 - I'm thinking I am overpropped

The Perkins 4/108 is flywheel rated at 52 hp @4000 rpm,35 hp at 3000 ,is about the best usage ,but all this depends on the injector and govenor settings,it may well be that is the problem, easy to check, flyte rpm out of gear is 4050 approx ,you maybe governed by your propeller , not a good thing , ⛵️⚓️👍
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