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Cadence · 04-05-2018, 10:59

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Originally Posted by bcboomer

Why isn't the mechanic stepping up?

In a previous life I was in the service end of the car business. In my dealership, the service department would have taken responsibility for finding the cause and making repairs at our expense.

Having the same mechanic sounds like the fox minding the chicken coop?

BandB · 04-05-2018, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Olly75

So this is a general question to see if anyone else has had this problem, or how I should (maybe) approach the manufacturer.

I had a load of work done on my engine, that also involved an oil and oil filter change.

Started the engine back up and she got up to temperature in about five minutes (which wasn't normal), and then when out for a motor the engine seized in about fifteen minutes. The mechanic has now got her turning over by hand and the oil pump is pumping, but there is no oil getting through the filter. On taking the filter off it was only about a quarter full (when compared to another new filter). When we poured new oil down the outside holes it doesn't percolate through

The mechanic thinks that there is an issue inside the filter that was stopping the oil circulating, so its either clogged with something or blocked within.

So the question is what should I do? If I cut the filter open to see inside and there is an issue will the manufacture stand up and take the hit, or do I talk to them direct and potentially send it off for them to inspect and take their word for it?

All thought and advice welcome!

Was this at a boatyard or a fly by night mechanic? I'm wondering if he properly filled the filter with oil. What filter manufacturer?

Robert Tilbury · 04-05-2018, 14:20

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Originally Posted by sailorchic34

It's possible the oil filter does not have a bypass for cold oil. Cheaper oil filters (some that starts with F) don't have a bypass that opens when the oil is cold and thick. Less of an issue on cars with 0 or 5 cold weight oil. Not so good with thicker Diesel oils.

I know that mobile one and Wix filters have integral bypass in the filter, plus good filtration.

Agree ,
RYCOR filters have the bypass aswell ,
They cost twice as much but my donk is worth the extra $10 ,,

I have to say you are a weath of information ,,,,

Cadence · 04-05-2018, 14:31

I'm not sure Wix and Fram don't come out of the same plant?

Milko Berben · 04-05-2018, 15:01

Do you have a oil cooler on it? If so replace it they are prone to clogg up.

Olly75 · 04-05-2018, 15:02

Hard to say if he properly filled the filter as I wasn't looking over his shoulder, but he was recommended by the marina.

Without wanting to name names the filter manufacturer has a name like a man with no hair who didn't lose.

Olly75 · 04-05-2018, 15:03

As part of the works the oil and transmission cooler was taken off, pressure tested and throughly cleaned.

**a64pilot** · 04-05-2018, 15:20

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Originally Posted by Cadence

I'm not sure Wix and Fram don't come out of the same plant?

They don’t, not by a long shot.
However many Yanmar, Ford, GM, etc filters are actually made by many different manufacturers, and these change often.
The big motor companies don’t make filters of course, they let out a bid unusually with a spec list, then manufacturers bid on the contract, lowest bidder usually wins, so buying motor manufacturers filters doesn’t necessarily mean much.

For oil and filter questions, bobistheoilguy.com used to be the go to place to get answers, not sure anymore.
However many have cut apart different filters and usually the construction differences are obvious to a lay person, real obvious.

K&N and Mobil 1 are the best, and I’m 90% sure they are made by the same manufacturer.
Wix is good, NAPA has different grades, and there is a big difference, NAPA gold is an excellent filter, the others not so much.
Fleetguard is excellent, Purolator is good and there premium filter is really excellent.

Differences are usually in amount of filter media, how the media is attached, bypass valve, backflow valve, best ones are silicone as is the sealing O ring, thickness of can if you have a high pressure oil system.
An early model Duramax engine will actually rupture a cheap filter on a cold day for example.

Sorry don’t have a valid link, but the Fram has the nickname of orange can of death. The often have marketing gimmicks like advertising a “truck” or special SUV filter etc., when there is no difference.
With filters you usually get what you pay for.

**Wotname** · 04-05-2018, 16:30

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Originally Posted by hpeer

It sounds like at least two posters have had oil filter problems.

Is there a easy way to check a filter for flow before installing?

Does the presence of pressure PROVE flow?

Dunno about Q1.
Q2 - usually yes and in all the engines I am familiar with, almost certainly yes. However if there are engines around where the pressure sensor / pressure switch is located in the oil circuit before the filter, then no.

However if the engine has been rebuilt immediately before a flow issue, then anything is possible. I once had the head a car engine rebuilt professionally by a recommended mechanic and it had problems shortly after. I decided to pull it down and if necessary redo it myself. The oil galleries around the valve gear and lifters on one cylinder was 3/4 blocked with new sealant - grrr...

hamburking · 04-05-2018, 16:32

Go ahead an cut open the filter...but record the whole thing on video, just in case.

hamburking · 04-05-2018, 16:34

When I change my oil/filter, I usually run the engine for a minute, then shut it down to check the level, and look at everything/leaks/etc. Repeat as necessary.

Sorry for your engine troubles. Been there, it sucks. Maybe its a good time to go electric?

sailah · 04-05-2018, 17:08

Baldwin filters are excellent. I use Wix, Napa and Purolator only. In my Duramax truck I used to run Baldwin because I bought them in case quantity.

I think Wix and Napa are made in same factory but can't remember where I heard that.

I'd be surprised if that Baldwin filter was the real cause.

Here's the place I saw it. WIX and Napa are made at same facility

https://www.fleetfilter.com/comparis...LD-filter.html