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NoTies · 23-12-2014, 16:58

Item 3 in the pic is the vertical shaft intermediate bushing. When run out of water it has nice hot exhaust gas flowing around it and no lubrication. It usually melts into a mass of molten plastic.

smj · 23-12-2014, 17:02

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Item 3 in the pic is the vertical shaft intermediate bushing. When run out of water it has nice hot exhaust gas flowing around it and no lubrication. It usually melts into a mass of molten plastic.

We ran our Honda 2hp on our stern rail many times to keep fresh fuel in the carb and had no problems even though the motor was not submerged in the water. No molten plastic, no problems.

NoTies · 23-12-2014, 17:04

Have you taken the leg off and had a look at the bush or are you just guessing that you haven't had a problem?

smj · 23-12-2014, 17:12

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Have you taken the leg off and had a look at the bush or are you just guessing that you haven't had a problem?

Never had a problem. Could you produce a link to substantiate your facts

NoTies · 23-12-2014, 17:17

Personal experience. I find it more reliable than google. I ask again, have you actually had a look at the bushing or are you guessing that you haven't got a problem?

smj · 23-12-2014, 17:20

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Personal experience. I find it more reliable than google. I ask again, have you actually had a look at the bushing or are you guessing that you haven't got a problem?

Ok personal experience, two air cooled Honda 2hp's run out of the water and NO problems. Maybe you got a lemon?

NoTies · 23-12-2014, 17:22

Why is the question so hard to answer? Have you actually had a look at the bush?

smj · 23-12-2014, 17:28

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Why is the question so hard to answer? Have you actually had a look at the bush?

I haven't owned a Honda 2hp for 2 years but had no problems with ANY part of the motors. And this dates back to 1992. I suggest you call the Honda warranty department.

NoTies · 23-12-2014, 17:34

So, you never actually checked the bushing I take it. What happens when the bush melts usually bites you a lot further down the track if you don't realise it's happened. Shaft whip, through being inadequately supported, increases wear on the spline at the shaft/engine join as well as excessive wear and eventual bearing failure on the gearbox input. This has been my experience on clients' outboards and backed up years ago by a Honda mechanic in New Zealand. The first problem I had was a stripped out spline caused by the bushing melting. Cost the guy a new outboard which I had pleasure in selling him. After that I always checked the bushing when doing a service and virtually every one that had been run out of water extensively was toast. My advice and experience is free.

smj · 23-12-2014, 17:34

You do of course realize that the Honda 2hp was originally a water cooled engine. Maybe you have one of the older water cooled Hondas and are treating it as an air cooled?

smj · 23-12-2014, 17:36

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So, you never actually checked the bushing I take it. What happens when the bush melts usually bites you a lot further down the track if you don't realise it's happened. Shaft whip, through being inadequately supported, increases wear on the spline at the shaft/engine join as well as excessive wear and eventual bearing failure on the gearbox input. This has been my experience on clients' outboards and backed up years ago by a Honda mechanic in New Zealand. The first problem I had was a stripped out spline caused by the bushing melting. Cost the guy a new outboard which I had pleasure in selling him. After that I always checked the bushing when doing a service and virtually every one that had been run out of water extensively was toast. My advice and experience is free.

Just as you don't trust Google, I don't believe I will trust your experience.

NoTies · 23-12-2014, 17:41

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You do of course realize that the Honda 2hp was originally a water cooled engine. Maybe you have one of the older water cooled Hondas and are treating it as an air cooled?

Thank you for insulting my intelligence and experience and dismissing 35 years working on outboards. Fortunately my clients trust me.

smj · 23-12-2014, 17:44

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Thank you for insulting my intelligence and experience and dismissing 35 years working on outboards. Fortunately my clients trust me.

Good on ya mate! And I will trust my own experiences and observations. If there is truly a problem please contact Honda and get this rectified for all our benefits.