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25-07-2017, 13:50
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: St. Petersburg, Florida
Boat: Leopard 39
Posts: 860
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
You love tris. Follow the path with heart. You can always customize the interior. It's a beauty.
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27-07-2017, 06:36
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#62
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: San Francisco Bay area
Boat: Condor Trimaran 30 foot
Posts: 1,501
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
Nico, if u paint or gel coat that work of wood art... we will have u keel hauled. He he.
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27-07-2017, 09:31
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#63
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Join Date: Jul 2017
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
Quote:
Originally Posted by alansmith
Nico, if u paint or gel coat that work of wood art... we will have u keel hauled. He he.
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You missed your chance alansmith. I just communicated to the owner that I am no longer in play for his nice boat.
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27-07-2017, 11:44
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: San Francisco Bay area
Boat: Condor Trimaran 30 foot
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
Nico, glad I didn't have to make u ""'walk the plank'.
The owner is such a nice guy. Honestly I would buy it without reservation if I was into world cruising.
What finally chilled you?
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27-07-2017, 12:06
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Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 53
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
The owner is a great guy indeed, can't say this enough!
My decision was based on "sailor know thyself" and with my history of open checkbook spending on old cars and boats it would've ended being a very lengthy and expensive restoration, not worth it on a 40 year old boat.
The alternative is a new build of ~45ft and I'm speaking with CW about it. A Hammerhead 54' minus 10 feet.
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27-07-2017, 14:48
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: halifax, nova scotia
Boat: Cross 24 trimaran
Posts: 773
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
Well, i think the interior is gorgeous. White next to wood is just stunning, as are the oval passageways in the bulkheads.
jon
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27-07-2017, 15:01
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Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Poulsbo
Boat: Chris White Voyager 48
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
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Originally Posted by Nicocrispi
The alternative is a new build of ~45ft and I'm speaking with CW about it. A Hammerhead 54' minus 10 feet.
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Ahhh, something like the Explorer 44. Keep us posted.
Cheers,
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27-07-2017, 18:01
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: May 2012
Location: New Orleans
Boat: We have a problem... A serious addiction issue.
Posts: 3,974
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
Hmm, Rapido just a few months ago announced they are working on a 50'. It might be too big but if its like the bigger sister it should be stunning.
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29-07-2017, 00:28
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#69
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: San Francisco Bay area
Boat: Condor Trimaran 30 foot
Posts: 1,501
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
I have been aboard the Hammerhead series. Goosebumps.
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29-07-2017, 05:21
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
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Originally Posted by alansmith
I have been aboard the Hammerhead series. Goosebumps.
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How was the one you drove rigged? I'm looking for multisource feedback for the Mastfoil, its behaviour at rest in windy conditions and in sudden gusts.
My primary interest is in allowing a singlehander to be able to rapidly adjust to variable conditions like squalls. Keeping the boat safe with less risk and rigging.
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29-07-2017, 08:45
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pacific NW
Boat: Hedley Nicol Vagabond MK2, 37'
Posts: 1,110
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
Mast height comes into play, the tall ones are supposed to be reefed sooner but everyone forgets. The best way to adjust fast is a jib furler. I know it isn't current fashion but for a tri a masthead rig makes a lot of sense for cruising. The main is smaller for less risk offwind and more area is in the fast reefing jib. This also works great if you want to drop the main and run downwind under head sails like the guys in the cat thread. You have a useful sized genoa to start with instead of a fractional jib. A lower aspect rig is also less sensitive to angles of attack and stall which helps in the world of waves.
The mastfoil takes advantage of the fast furler with the foil operating on the part of the sail that does the work is the leading edge. This is true but I wonder a bit about how sensitive the foil is to attack with the high aspect ratio and whether there is stall. I haven't seen the details of one but I'd think you'd need to be able to add twist to the foil to keep it working along it's length. We watched one of the cats with one sailing last year and it seemed easily handled. The progress was what I'd call steady, not hot. By itself there isn't enough area to get in trouble and the feathering should reduce sailing around at anchor like a wing mast but I don't really know.
With any multihull the old rule of reef for the gusts works really well. Have the sheets in cam cleats for fast dumping and in your hand in challenging conditions.
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29-07-2017, 09:25
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Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 53
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
All good points Cavalier.
I'll be building a cruiser not a racer so a "short" mast is a given, stayed too with a furling headsail.
It would be great to hear from somebody who can give first hand reports on the two issues that I'm not clear about, sailing around at anchor or in a slip and behavior in a gust when the sheet is not released.
Cam cleats are a given and on my mono I use a hinged cam cleat and a bungee. Number of turns around the winch, it must be a smooth surface winch, determine when the sheet begins to slip and then the tension on the bungee regulates when the cam cleat pivots and releases the line. It works great as long as the line and the winch remain dry.
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29-07-2017, 10:22
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pacific NW
Boat: Hedley Nicol Vagabond MK2, 37'
Posts: 1,110
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
I've got years of sailing in fractional rigs too and they have their uses but it is worth remembering that all the cruising tris such as the Cross, Brown, Horstman, Nicol, Marples, Piver, Crowther etc... had masthead rigs that weren't too tall and excellent safety records.
It seems the easy way to hear about the mastfoil would be to contact a owner directly. The one we saw in BC was for sale last time I checked.
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31-07-2017, 08:14
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#74
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: San Francisco Bay area
Boat: Condor Trimaran 30 foot
Posts: 1,501
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
Nicole, the Chris White Atlantic series were/are being built in Chile at Awolplast (spelling). There were several mastfoils built and the owners lost the rigs on way home. It was new design for these boats. You used to be able to read about it on Chris Whites home page. One owner was out of the LA boat basin. The chili manufacture flew technicians up to California and they remedied the problem. I do believe that Chris White stands behind his work and may have beefed up the design. These boats are way out of my price range. I think they are a very sexy design.
The problem with trimarans is you can push them to a certain point...Once you're past the critical point you are flipped. That is why multisailers understand very well you must be very attentive to wind and sea conditions. In a mono hull a wind gust can bury your leeward rail under. In a multihull when your leeward ama is being pushed hard a further wind gust can capsize you. Big difference between the two that is why you have to refer early and be ready to dump the main sell in a hurry. In a multi hall and gusty conditions you never are very far from the main sheet dump. There is no forgiveness like a mono has. The leeward hull can dig in and trip you.
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31-07-2017, 08:55
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#75
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pacific NW
Boat: Hedley Nicol Vagabond MK2, 37'
Posts: 1,110
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Re: Your opinions on this Tri.
A tri actually has a lot more indication of how close to the edge it is because of the increased range of heel over a cat. A cat gets it's max stability at about 10 degrees a tri 25 - 30 degrees. What they both have is a huge righting moment compared to a mono. The gust that puts a rail under on a mono is not going to bury the ama of a tri.
Dumping the main is the correct upwind response since the jib will continue to drive the boat. Multihulls disperse energy by accelerating versus heeling so you don't want to put on the brakes, just lose the extra side force. In actual practice you if you are correctly reefed for cruising you shouldn't have to dump anything at all, that is more of a racing throttle but you need to be ready regardless.
The harder it blows the more conservative I sail for wider safety margins, You'll still get decent speed a long way from being on the edge leaving more of your buoyancy reserves for the increased wave size.
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