Would you choose an Endeavorcat 34 or Gemini 105mc to cross the Atlantic?

[smj]

Originally Posted by river251

You prompted me to look that up. High praise for the Gemini here. As far as living it is vastly superior to the Prout.



https://theboatgalley.com/thoughts-o...ini-catamaran/

They were comparing the Gemini to their old Tayana monohull not the Prout, but the Gemini is a very livable cat.
Check out the PDQ 36, to us it is probably the best laid out liveboard in this size range and very well built.

[river251]

Originally Posted by smj

They were comparing the Gemini to their old Tayana monohull not the Prout, but the Gemini is a very livable cat.
Check out the PDQ 36, to us it is probably the best laid out liveboard in this size range and very well built.

Thank you sir. Yes, better looking than the Prout. Priced about the same and a few around if not as many as Prout. So how do they sail? Doggy like a Prout but blue water capable? If only there were a review like there is of the Prout, by John Kretschmer...wait, well here one is. Thanks sir!

PDQ 36

Another good possibility for me, very nice....

[Davy J]

Originally Posted by river251

You prompted me to look that up. High praise for the Gemini here. As far as living it is vastly superior to the Prout.

https://theboatgalley.com/thoughts-o...ini-catamaran/

I'll just make two more comments and then probably retire from this thread.

1) As I've pointed out several times, the 105M and the 105Mc are not exactly the same.

2) This is probably more important..........

Carolyn and Dave bought the Tayana, because they thought they might cross the Pacific. They never did.............

[Mr B]

Originally Posted by Davy J

There are many subtle differences in the models, but there are a few big ones.

IIRC, Barefoot Gal did not have the sling seat on the transom, it also did not have the cockpit enclosure. Earlier in this thread I also posted a link to a PCI interview which stated that the interior liner was different and that the rig was smaller on the 105M.

Many of the differences may not even be noticed by someone who didn't own one model or the other.

Another thing, I've been aboard about twenty 105Mc's. There are even differences in the same model, from year to year........

There was also a very big difference in the boats built by PCI and the models built by Hunter.

Thanks for that info, Dave,

Im also on FB and Gems io forums, And I have noticed the differences in the 105MC over the years,

I bought my 105MC in 2011, in Fiji, With all the bells and whistles already on it,
I dont have a screacher on mine either,
Where other 105MC's do,
I do prefer my 150 Genoa, Its very versatile, And its all I use now,

The only reason I didnt remove the Mainsail and Boom off my boat,
Is I can use it if I ever lose my Genoa,
I also have a brand new Jib on board thats never been used, I keep that as a spare just in case also,

I also have a Sail Chute, Which gave me 14 Knots on its own in Fiji, DW,
But its a bit hard to use, Single handing,
But its fun too use and the boat flys with it up,
Its like a spinnaker, But its round in shape,
It ties to both Bow cleats and hangs off the spinnaker at the top,

Across the North East coast, across the top, Darwin and the Kimberlys, Down the West Coast and back home across the Great Australian Bight, From Perth,

There are thousands of miles of nothing, No population any where on the coast of Australia,
Approx 18,000 Miles my voyage will cover, Round trip, And I wont be leaving Australia at any time,

Australia is a very big Island, Surrounded by some very violent Oceans at times,
My Gemini 105MC has handled some very violent weather with me on it,
Well in excess of 40 Knots, and 20 foot waves, Coral Sea,
In excess of 40 knots in Bass Strait, I dont know how high the waves were, It was at night, So I couldnt see them,
That was one very violent wild night, Spinning around at 90 to 180 Degrees,
I had forgot to put one of my centre boards down, Shake down cruise when I first put my Gem back in the water,
I was hand steering as my Autopilot belt had crapped itself,

My Hulls are now 13mm thick, Two new Hulls fitted,
Original Hulls were 5mm thick,
The extra weight is covered by the extra safety with the thicker Hulls,

It handles it all with ease, I have never been on a safer boat in my life,

Cheers, Brian,

[contrail]

Originally Posted by Mr B

Thanks for that info, Dave,

Im also on FB and Gems io forums, And I have noticed the differences in the 105MC over the years,

I bought my 105MC in 2011, in Fiji, With all the bells and whistles already on it,
I dont have a screacher on mine either,
Where other 105MC's do,
I do prefer my 150 Genoa, Its very versatile, And its all I use now,

The only reason I didnt remove the Mainsail and Boom off my boat,
Is I can use it if I ever lose my Genoa,
I also have a brand new Jib on board thats never been used, I keep that as a spare just in case also,

I also have a Sail Chute, Which gave me 14 Knots on its own in Fiji, DW,
But its a bit hard to use, Single handing,
But its fun too use and the boat flys with it up,
Its like a spinnaker, But its round in shape,
It ties to both Bow cleats and hangs off the spinnaker at the top,

Across the North East coast, across the top, Darwin and the Kimberlys, Down the West Coast and back home across the Great Australian Bight, From Perth,

There are thousands of miles of nothing, No population any where on the coast of Australia,
Approx 18,000 Miles my voyage will cover, Round trip, And I wont be leaving Australia at any time,

Australia is a very big Island, Surrounded by some very violent Oceans at times,
My Gemini 105MC has handled some very violent weather with me on it,
Well in excess of 40 Knots, and 20 foot waves, Coral Sea,
In excess of 40 knots in Bass Strait, I dont know how high the waves were, It was at night, So I couldnt see them,
That was one very violent wild night, Spinning around at 90 to 180 Degrees,
I had forgot to put one of my centre boards down, Shake down cruise when I first put my Gem back in the water,
I was hand steering as my Autopilot belt had crapped itself,

My Hulls are now 13mm thick, Two new Hulls fitted,
Original Hulls were 5mm thick,
The extra weight is covered by the extra safety with the thicker Hulls,

It handles it all with ease, I have never been on a safer boat in my life,

Cheers, Brian,

We know you love your boat, and AFTER your voyage, you will have something to tell us, particularly if much of it is upwind, but.....do you think that your MC, with 13mm hulls, as opposed to 5 mm, is actually representative of the breed? More like other MC's than, say, an M? Or maybe more like a boat with a heavily built hull like a Prout?

[Mr B]

Originally Posted by contrail

We know you love your boat, and AFTER your voyage, you will have something to tell us, particularly if much of it is upwind, but.....do you think that your MC, with 13mm hulls, as opposed to 5 mm, is actually representative of the breed? More like other MC's than, say, an M? Or maybe more like a boat with a heavily built hull like a Prout?

I can only speak for my boat and what it does, and what I have done to it to make it my boat, and to do what I want to do in it,

Currently, Its nearly fully loaded, All necessary gear on board,
Full tanks of diesel and Water,
150 Litres of spare diesel, 25 litres of Petrol for the Genny,
Most food Etc Etc,

I am waiting for the Borders to open, And Im gone from here,

I am having a few problems with the battery banks, Which ones are good and which ones are bad,
So I have 2 New x 160 Amphr AGMs
3 x Deep charge batterys, 2 AGM and a Lead acid one,
Thats 210 KGs plus the weight of the 160 Amphr batterys,
I think the 2 AGM x 200 amphr and the Lead acid one are Kaput,
These are in the forward hull behind the chain locker, and connected to my Wind Genny, By next week I will know if they are Kaput or not,

The Plimsol line is equal front and back, So Im currently well balanced,
Its about half an inch above the waterline,

I have 75 KGs of hoop anchors currently on the Bow,
One 40 KG and one 25 KG, Both stop the boat dead in the water,
And both proven in over 40 Knots of wind, I sleep soundly now,

Another AGM of 75 amphrs and 900 CCA to start the motor, To be installed,
It flicks my 300 HP turbo V8 Cat diesel over in my RV, instantly,
So starting a 27 HP diesel in my boat is nothing to it,

But I will be buying a new AGM with 1000 CCA and 200 Amphrs,
These are just newly released batterys, and come with a two year guarantee, Good price at $450-00 each,


All the other boats, I have no idea on and cant speak for them,

I dont sail upwind, I wait for the wind to go where I want to go,
9 knots with a following wind on the Genoa,
Is comfortable, the boat is flat and level, and easy on my boats gear,

Sailing upwind is just not my idea of sailing, It bashes my boat chronically,
Its uncomfortable, Slams badly, And can break things, So I just dont do it,

Cheers, Brian,

[contrail]

But, of course, the OP was including upwind sailing in his request for an opinion. And, it most certainly is part of sailing, even in those tough conditions you tell us about. To each his own, regarding preferred boats and conditions. I think it is helpful to have clearly stated yours.

[Davy J]

Originally Posted by contrail

But, of course, the OP was including upwind sailing in his request for an opinion. And, it most certainly is part of sailing, even in those tough conditions you tell us about. To each his own, regarding preferred boats and conditions. I think it is helpful to have clearly stated yours.

My home waters and main sailing venue is the Gulf Of Mexico. We don't have the convenience of a consistent trade wind. The wind can blow from any direction and in many cases will change directions multiple times in one day. Sailing upwind is a necessity.

The Gemini has a distinct advantage here. You drop the leeward center board, which now gives a draft of 5', (how many catamarans have that, most performance cats have dagger boards), then tighten all sheets and move the mainsheet traveler to windward. The boat will point almost as well as the monohull I owned for ten years prior.