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freelife · 14-06-2012, 05:26

A couple of times now I have looked at a video clip on youtube named ( Tiki 21 sailing fast) it is absolutely hammering along, this makes me wonder why quite a few posters are very quick to put these designs down? It certainly looks stable,safe and capable to me. Strangely enough every time these designs are discussed, out come the knockers? Could it be the inability to actually build a boat so it must come from a shop or it simply will not work? Is owning and sailing a boat just about bragging rights? Is it all about racing once a month and then talking it up for three weeks? If the computer says it is good it just has to be? Here is some food for thought, One man defies the pen pushers over 50 years ago, proves them all wrong. On that famous return with a couple of (hotties) are we expected to believe he would have been happier watching T.V. in his bridgedeck saloon. I wonder how many books he could have read,waters he could have explored, designs he could have pondered in the time it would take to put his two-bobs worth in 5 or 6000 times on a forum? Where would we be without pioneers like Mr James Wharram?. OOOPS rhetorical question, bobbing around in overpriced, overrated,plastic heaps of sh#t.

Boatguy30 · 14-06-2012, 05:36

Your comment on production cats run a bot astray, but the Tiki 21 when not loaded will certainly sail nearly as well as a beach cat say Hobie 16. Also not how wet they are getting. Fun for an afternoon in the tropics, but cruising every day? Also they will be much slower and just as wet when loaded for cruising.

I'm building a nice bridgedeck saloon cat for cruising, but if a nice Tiki 21 came for sale nearby, I would by it for a daysailor to replace my beach cat as would have space for the kids to nap and get out of the sun. Would likely never spend a night on it. The Wharram builder here in FL has a Tiki 36 design he based on the Tiki 30. After cruising the Tiki 30 for just a few weeks in the Bahamas he felt the 36 would be the minimum size for a decent interior in keeping with the Tiki concept.

**sneuman** · 14-06-2012, 05:59

Can't say anything informed about Wharram performance, but a big gripe of mine (call it completely frivolous) is how butt-ugly most (cruising) catamarans are. Absolutely subjective, of course. But I have to admit that the 30'ish Wharrams have some definite charm.

tamicatana · 17-06-2012, 04:23

Used to have a TIKI 21'. Best storm boat I've been on so far. I'd take it into anything.

If you're not familiar, Rory MacDougall has circumnavigated with his "Cooking Fat" and has recently completed the Jester Challenge:

Rory And Cookie
Cookie's Jester Challenge 2010

smj · 17-06-2012, 05:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by sneuman

Can't say anything informed about Wharram performance, but a big gripe of mine (call it completely frivolous) is how butt-ugly most (cruising) catamarans are. Absolutely subjective, of course. But I have to admit that the 30'ish Wharrams have some definite charm.

Everyone has their opinion and I'm sure you're comes from experiance. You probably get a great view of a cat from the bow as she comes up behind you. A quick look at the side of her as she passes on your beam. And an extended look of her sterns as she leaves you in her wake. :-) But to be serious there are some butt ugly cats just as there are some butt ugly monos!

barnakiel · 17-06-2012, 07:27

A friend sailed one in the Med, then got converted to a mono for his planned circumnav. He says the design is wet and lacks pointing ability. Living space is extremely cramped. Good boat but exposes the sailor very much and leads to getting tired more and sooner.

(That's all more related to the size than to the design I guess).

b.