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Old 01-03-2017, 10:44   #346
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls

I love good boats but unfortunately most of them are too expensive for me. If money wasn't an issue I'd get a Schionning and never look back. But given the circumstances 35'ish mono will do..
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:21   #347
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Because they were given one to use for free? Is that the reason? Do I win a prize?

People who prefer the set of compromises cats offer and have the money to buy one is the main reason.

Can we please not make this another cat v mono debate? Pretty please?
They are not being given a free boat. They are getting a discount, but are still financing it like everyone else.
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:28   #348
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I have been watching a series lately about a couple who sold their motorhome and now are sailing a catamaran, it is their first boat.

The first time I saw the lady set her coffee cup down next to a few half finished beers and head outside to trim the sheets or whatever needed attention, and then came back and finished her coffee... AT SEA I sat there sort of shocked.

It seems like every episode somebody is drinking something, and just sets it down on the table and walks off, In fact they are always setting stuff anywhere and it all just stays there. S**T would be flying everywhere if they tried that on a monohull, tacking, jybing, and all!

So I think cats are neat. I would love a cat, but I'm the type who no matter what amount of money I had I would just get the Mono I want, and pocket the difference.

I would also much prefer a longer more high latitude ice and roaring forty ready mono because I like rugged adventure stuff, not lounging platforms, but that is more of a personality problem I have.
They barely sail their boat. Mostly motor around the bahamas. If they don't start actually going places like others do, I stop watching. It's getting tedious and boring.
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It seems like every episode somebody is drinking something, and just sets it down on the table and walks off, In fact they are always setting stuff anywhere and it all just stays there. S**T would be flying everywhere if they tried that on a monohull, tacking, jybing, and all!
Try to do that on a FERRY in shaky weather. If the water is flat, you don't need to worry about your beer even in a dinghy...
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Re: The Reason People Are Moving Away From Monohulls

I look at this (too long of a) post as a feud.

Such a pity. Both types have own merits and deficiencies, which can be more or less relevant to the user.
Given that, being a partisan of any part shows imo a lack of rationality v subjectivity.

I hope no one claims for rights or " prejudices" about others' will.

PS l dont understand someone, preferring cats, unless it is a Swan! Funny! Unless...
I feel like many low quality monos may have pushed sailors towards cats.

Do you know of anyone quitting a Baltic, a Jongert, a Swan... for a cat?
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Yes, why? Last year in Bali there was an electrical storm, out of all the boats only three reported damage ie wind instuments etc, they were all cats, and there were boats with taller masts! Anyone know the answer?

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No-one really knows - lightning is a very strange beast and I don't think we understand all the physics surrounding it yet.

Cats do seem to get struck a lot more than monos - even if the monos have bigger masts!
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No-one really knows - lightning is a very strange beast and I don't think we understand all the physics surrounding it yet.

Cats do seem to get struck a lot more than monos - even if the monos have bigger masts!
Amazing, because cat' masts point downward at least 100% of the time!
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No-one really knows - lightning is a very strange beast and I don't think we understand all the physics surrounding it yet.

Cats do seem to get struck a lot more than monos - even if the monos have bigger masts!
One opinion is that with the boat is sitting in an electrolite, the wider base is able to contain a larger volume of ions attracted to the mast lightening rod than the narrow mono and the lightening is attracted to the concentration of ions rather than the mast.
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Yes, why? Last year in Bali there was an electrical storm, out of all the boats only three reported damage ie wind instuments etc, they were all cats, and there were boats with taller masts! Anyone know the answer?
I don't think anyone knows why. There was a lightning discussion here or on Trawler Forum which was discussing the BoatUS data on lightning strikes. A PhD who researches lightning came into the discussion and he did know why multihulls get hit by lightning more than mono hulls.

My guess is that multihulls have more water line length than a mono hull of the same boat length and that this somehow attracts the lightning. Sounds kinda wacky but if you read up on lightning strikes, many strikes exit the boat at the water line which makes me wonder if the water line length is attracting the strike. One lightning protection detail is to have a grounding plate of 144 square inches. The plate should be at/near the waterline, hmmmm, and it is better if the plate is 1 inch wide and 144 inches long instead of 12x12. The long thin plate is better than a square plate which gets back to the idea of the extra water line length on multi hulls.

In any case there is my guess. And I stayed at a Holiday Inn once upon a time.

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Well monohulls keels act like a grounding path.


I dont know what kind of lightning protetcion in a multi?
Any idea?
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Well monohulls keels act like a grounding path.


I dont know what kind of lightning protetcion in a multi?
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Well monohulls keels act like a grounding path.


I dont know what kind of lightning protetcion in a multi?
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Sheet it in hard. Pitch pole. Mast pointed toward the bottom. Minimal risk of lightening strike! Lightening bolt hits the monohull instead.
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Seriously!! or the crew is insured to?
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Seriously!! or the crew is insured to?
from what i have read, it is 2 x more likely cat to be hit than mono. Statistics does not consider the fact that average cat is in general way more expensive than average mono. Considering that 40 ft cat, equivalent 50 ft mono, by value, suspect that on value basis difference is much less than 2.
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from what i have read, it is 2 x more likely cat to be hit than mono. Statistics does not consider the fact that average cat is in general way more expensive than average mono. Considering that 40 ft cat, equivalent 50 ft mono, by value, suspect that on value basis difference is much less than 2.
Yeah ok, but what i ask is what kind of device, plate , or bloody wire to the wáter is recommended in a multi, i dont think a toasted kid or crewmember is in the insurance contract i guess.

In Monohulls with internal ballast a grounding plate can do the trick but i dont know if the same plate is ok in a multihull?
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