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Old 29-04-2020, 18:35   #1
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St. Francis 50

While Iím not normally an instigator, things have been to civil around this forum lately so let me bring out a big ol pot with a big ol paddle and stir it up!!

This may draw the ire of many since the seller of Suliere is a member here, but at the same time we are often agast by certain asking prices of cats and so I want to call this out- Suliere is smokiní some of the good stuff in thinking his boat, a 10 year old St. Francis mk I that has some serious mileage on it should be worth just 10% less than a new St. Francis 50 mk II brand new! I donít care if his mk I has got a heap load of improvements over the original- the manufacturer has also made improvements over the last 10 years, items that a mark I could never achieve because the new features are changes to the structure. Towards this, do you think $895k for a 2010 St. Francis is reasonable when a new St. Francis with full electronics, radar, generator and AC, 1300w of solar, water maker, spinnaker, electric winches all around, dual anchors, life raft, electric heads, the list goes on, can be purchased for $1m?
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Old 29-04-2020, 19:19   #2
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Sulliere and its travails has been very entertaining to us . that's worth a lot.
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Old 29-04-2020, 19:48   #3
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While Iím not normally an instigator, things have been to civil around this forum lately so let me bring out a big ol pot with a big ol paddle and stir it up!!

This may draw the ire of many since the seller of Suliere is a member here, but at the same time we are often agast by certain asking prices of cats and so I want to call this out- Suliere is smokiní some of the good stuff in thinking his boat, a 10 year old St. Francis mk I that has some serious mileage on it should be worth just 10% less than a new St. Francis 50 mk II brand new! I donít care if his mk I has got a heap load of improvements over the original- the manufacturer has also made improvements over the last 10 years, items that a mark I could never achieve because the new features are changes to the structure. Towards this, do you think $895k for a 2010 St. Francis is reasonable when a new St. Francis with full electronics, radar, generator and AC, 1300w of solar, water maker, spinnaker, electric winches all around, dual anchors, life raft, electric heads, the list goes on, can be purchased for $1m?
There's a 2019 St Francis for sale asking 1 million on YW. Personally, I would look at that one first.

Does anybody know if Wayfinder is still for sale?
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Fair enough. Worth “a lot” is variable, though.

I like watching La Vagabonde and was a patreon of theirs for awhile. Would it be worth me paying a $250k-$300k premium to buy their boat because they are entertaining? Na, not for me anyway.
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Old 29-04-2020, 19:54   #5
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No nothing about the situation but if the guy wants to ask twice the price of a new one that is entirely his business. Not likely to find a buyer at that price of course but that is an entirely different matter.
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Old 29-04-2020, 19:58   #6
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If you can't afford it, move on. Trying to shame someone's asking price on a forum for which he is a member, well shame on you. Find another boat.
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While Iím not normally an instigator, things have been to civil around this forum lately so let me bring out a big ol pot with a big ol paddle and stir it up!!

This may draw the ire of many since the seller of Suliere is a member here, but at the same time we are often agast by certain asking prices of cats and so I want to call this out- Suliere is smokiní some of the good stuff in thinking his boat, a 10 year old St. Francis mk I that has some serious mileage on it should be worth just 10% less than a new St. Francis 50 mk II brand new! I donít care if his mk I has got a heap load of improvements over the original- the manufacturer has also made improvements over the last 10 years, items that a mark I could never achieve because the new features are changes to the structure. Towards this, do you think $895k for a 2010 St. Francis is reasonable when a new St. Francis with full electronics, radar, generator and AC, 1300w of solar, water maker, spinnaker, electric winches all around, dual anchors, life raft, electric heads, the list goes on, can be purchased for $1m?
If you dont think its worth it - dont buy it. I take it you are interested in a St Francis 50? If you are not interested then your opinion is irrelevant.
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My problem with Suliere is not the asking price, nor the boat itself. Each owner has the right to ask what they want.

But having watched the owner and his public disagreements with boat builders over the years, I would be hesitant to enter into a negotiation with him.
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