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Old 09-10-2025, 01:09   #1
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Spacious main hull trimaran

I want to build a 12-15m cruising trimaran with a wide, spacious main hull for living and slender amas for stability, like a smaller QUEEN BEETLE. I've looked at Kurt Hughes and it's not the right fit. Are there any designers or existing plans that match this 'main hull dominant' philosophy?"*
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Re: Spaciuis main hull trimaran

Not really because it is a dumb idea to go too wide. The widest you can do is probably a Cross or a Hortsman. Look at these, there are usually a few for sale, although they are getting older.

This video is of a nice Cross 42 - pretty much the max main hull beam a tri can do



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Re: Spaciuis main hull trimaran

If a boat with the stability of a Trimaran and the space of a Monohull could be made, it would have been made by now.

What your describing would likely sail like a brick.
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Re: Spaciuis main hull trimaran

It is 100% doable. However, the main hull is built narrow at the waterline.


There are such design around. The extra living space is built into the 'wings' of the flared main hull.


You will remember the side hulls take care of stability for you so they cannot be to close to the main hull, nor can they be low volume. It is very easy to tip over a tri with amas that lack volume.


https://www.multihulldesigns.com/des.../38tricru.html
https://www.multihulldesigns.com/des...40flaretri.htm
https://www.multihulldesigns.com/ima...460857_16.jpeg


etc.


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Re: Spaciuis main hull trimaran

ps the norman cross design is very nice - but I take it is more in the motor-sailor style


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Re: Spaciuis main hull trimaran

Motor sailor - not at all.

I remember once sailing my very fast 31ft Twiggy against a 40ft Harris. It had a 8 to 1 length to beam ratio main hull - that thing was like a Cross - a nice fat main hull and a nice rig on it - and we could barely catch that thing in the 7-8 knots conditions we were in - she could sail really well in light winds. Not a motor sailer at all, she could sail!

The OP may have been thinking about putting a super fat main hull on a tri - which is dumb because this has already been tried in the 60s. Designers like Nicol, Horstman and Cross all worked out that if you got past about 8 to 1 length to beam ratio then you couldn't go to windward.

The Harris sailed really well in light winds due to its fatter hull shape in lighter winds - Designers know that wetted surface is a primary drag factor in light winds - and fatter hulls have less wetted surface than thin hulls - that is why a Laser can beat a Tornado in a drifter.

Due to the fact that you are often slowing down a fast multi - and that tris like the Harris and Cross sail well in light winds - they are great cruisers. When they start producing large hull waves in 15 knots and 9 knots of boat speed then everyone is slowing down because of conditions anyway.

As for the flare on modern tris - yeah sort of. When you go aboard a highly flared tri and share the space with another person, there is an awful lot of "excuse me" and pardon me stuff happening. This is because the cabin sole is rather narrow. Sure there is room above the waterline but to pass another person in the boat requires each person to stop and move. Much more than on a mono.

And then you have the issue of a higher immersion rate because of the thin main hull - so the boat can end up with an immersed transom and goes slower than it should. It takes a real sailor to keep the weight down on a faster tri. We cruised slower on our fast trimaran than with our slower top speed cat - because the tri was so weight sensitive.

A 40ft Cross or Harris can be an excellent cruiser if kept on its designed waterline (which is much easier than with a thin tri). The one in the video I linked to was kept light and did good multihull averages - at much less cost than a similar cat.

I spent about two years designing my own 40ft trimaran. It had a 9-1 ratio main hull a centre cockpit like the Searunner and flare like a Spoon Bay. It was almost finished when I realised that a cat would make a much better cruiser for our family, so I built a cat instead. As much as I love tris (and I owned two and built one) building a tri when there are nice ones out there to buy secondhand is a silly thing to do.

Nice "Fat hulled" tris that sail well are

Harris 40



Liahona (Simpson)



Bruce Balan on Migrations - a 45ft Cross which has been his home for years - a great boat and cruising couple

https://migrations.brucebalan.com/

Go the fat hulled tri.

At the risk of turning this into a treatise - the Hughes designs linked to are not great designs in my eyes. They show a problem that is very subtle yet important - (for one the larger tri has its transom immersed - so it will be slower than it should).

But Hughes designs full bottomed floats that are immersed in the water. This is nota good idea. If you look carefully at the Harris, Simpson and Cross floats you will notice a nice veed bottom on the floats. This is vital in a cruising float as the float plops in and out of the water all the time, especially on a beam reach. Highes floats will bang, and that will get old really really quickly. Sure you will go a little faster at top speed, but what a penalty, and the crew will just want to get off.

If you look at a fabulous seaboat tri - the Cirrostratus, drawn by the legend Robin Chamberlin, look at the deep vee section of the float. Robin was a great designer who knew that float design was critical in making the crew feel safe. When I built a 38ft Newick - Dick Newick told me of the competing ideals of comfort (more vee) and rounded bottoms (more top end speed). Cruisers don't care for top end speed so make sure the floats have lots of sharp vee on their bottoms.

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...A 40ft Cross or Harris can be an excellent cruiser if kept on its designed waterline (which is much easier than with a thin tri). The one in the video I linked to was kept light and did good multihull averages - at much less cost than a similar cat. ...
100%. Having lived and breathed Cross for much of my life, I would not consider them wide main hulls. The cold-molded 40' has a maximum beam at the sheer of 6'. The chined predecessor just a few inches more, and the 42' does not get above 7'. Not even remotely comparable to a monohull. A one person companionway, dinette, galley, head. Bunks over the wings or in the aft cabin because no room in the main hull.

The 40', in good trim, is capable of a 1400 mile week without even breaking a sweat. The 42s and larger tended to get built "bigger" and there can be a wider variation in performance.
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Re: Spacious main hull trimaran

Yep Catsketcher has the right of it. Cruising tris are a wonderful way to travel, the recipe has been forgotten by the current crop of designers. Somewhere people decided to go for speed only so the competition went in that direction.

The Horstman tris are really great cruisers too. Ed really did the math and like the Cross plans are available. The first tri to sail around Cape Horn was a Tristar which isn't a surprise when you start digging deeper into Ed's designs.
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I' sail a Nicol which has more slender amas than the Cross or Horstman. It works great, again that rounded V shape Phil talks about. They are fine for a wing deck boat as they won't submerge because of the wing, I wouldn't recommend them for a open wing boat but then I think cruising tris should have a wing deck. The advantage? The Nicol is faster than a cruising Cross or Horstman, Marples etc... and you would have to be grossly over sailed to bury it to the wing. These boats sail best flat, 10 - 15 degrees max.. I stay at 10 or less which is easy living down below.
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A fat main hull on a tri is a design error. AND an invitation to overload the vessel. If you are thinking space for stuff, you are not taking into account the effects of payload weight on the performance of any multihull.
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Re: Spacious main hull trimaran

A fat main hull tri - fat at the waterline - is not a tri. It is a monohull with amas.


Waste of time trying to poorly invent things already well designed by good boat designers.


Tris are very nice boats, but a "tri with main hull fat at the waterline" is an oxymoron.


Do not worry though it WILL float.


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Re: Spacious main hull trimaran

Dragonfly and Rapido do it pretty well with a chined and flared center hull that offers surprisingly decent living space. You are a bit compromised on storage space on the center hull but that can be made up with significant storage space in the ama’s as long as you follow the designer’s weight guidelines.

Many current trimarans offer a decent compromise between sailing performance and cruising comfort. We don’t want to live aboard our Dragonfly 32 but we would be comfortable doing an 8-10 week cruise on it. We’ve also come to the realization that the rig size of our 32 is about as much as my wife and I (both in our 60’s) can safely handle in up to 30+ knots of wind.

I agree with others that a trimaran with a center hull built with near monohull design parameters will be a mediocre to very poor performer. You’d be better off investing in a catamaran IMO.
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A fat multihull.


I think he's describing the new crop of cruising catamarans. Excess, for example.
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Really guys, Harris, Cross, Horstman ? Plywood boats of 50 years ago?


Then Dragonfly and even more opposite to what the OP was asking, Rapido?


Also, nobody mentioned Neel ?
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Really guys, Harris, Cross, Horstman ? Plywood boats of 50 years ago?


Then Dragonfly and even more opposite to what the OP was asking, Rapido?


Also, nobody mentioned Neel ?
Why would anybody mention Neel? People were talking about good boats haha.

There is nothing wrong with ply, any boat needs to be cared for. Foam glass works too. Why these designs are mentioned is people went into tris for speed and the cruising boats shifted to cats and fewer people committed to home builds leaving a void in newer designs.

Fortunately the old ones still work fine.

Charles Kanter pegged cruising tris as more of a 3 hulled cat, the Neel concept seems to grasp this but there is always noise about the build which means they didn't get the execution angle sorted out.

The OP disappeared quickly and was new so probably just someone fishing anyway. There was a ad in the old Multihull magazine published by Chiodi that showed a wide hull between skinny amas labelled " the shape of the future" but for the reasons mentioned by many of the respondents there was no future for that concept. There have been powered shipping and Navy craft built along those lines but they aren't sailboats
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