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Old 30-01-2018, 10:53   #46
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Re: Researching boats: Question about "bluewater" moniker

Such a tiny number actually going offshore on a regular basis, likely .000001% compared to everyone else with "a boat".

Most of whom seem to be drunken total idiots some weekends. 8-)

But usually not stupid enough to float out of site of land unprepared.
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Re: Researching boats: Question about "bluewater" moniker

Imho, most of the production boats monohulls or multihulls may be used for bluewater cruising. It depends where you want sail. A circumnavigation in the tropics no problem.
A circumnavigation visiting high latitudes may be if you are a competent sailor and so far you know to handle your boat.
Imho, much to much discussion than trying to sail far. I always spoke of trying as then in may be easier to avoid a **** storm if your plans fail.
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Old 13-02-2018, 12:55   #48
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Re: Researching boats: Question about "bluewater" moniker

I have a lot of regard for John Kretschmer as a writer as well as a sailor. I'm guessing the guy has done it all...or will...

Here is a link to his website with his thoughts regarding 'bluewater' boats. You will notice one catamaran less than 40' in there...

John Kretschmer Sailing - Bluewater Boats

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Re: Researching boats: Question about "bluewater" moniker

I don't have anything to add; except to agree with original poster about what he is asking for... and what he is NOT asking for...

I am new to the forum (interested in cruising and maybe longer travels).

But as I have been reading the posts... I have been really put off by the almost overwhelming negativity on a lot of posts.

People ask simple questions... and get tons of replies with a significant amount from people who question their abilities, their plans, their preferences... not to mention getting into the mono vs cat and every other debate.

Aren't we past the Chevy vs Ford vs Toyota stuff?

Sorry don't mean to rant... I appreciate the good replies in this post, and just wanted to thank those that took the time to answer with information that avoided all the junk.
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I have a lot of regard for John Kretschmer as a writer as well as a sailor. I'm guessing the guy has done it all...or will...

Here is a link to his website with his thoughts regarding 'bluewater' boats. You will notice one catamaran less than 40' in there...

John Kretschmer Sailing - Bluewater Boats

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I noticed 2 catamarans below 40 and none above?
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Old 13-02-2018, 18:51   #51
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Gr8jeepin:

Yes siree bob, you will notice a lot of negative chatter on this and almost every forum. It is the new normal...or is it new?

Each of us individually make choices about how we will approach life. And, each of us are an example -- all the time. Do you (or I) want to be a positive example for the world, or negative? Food for thought...What example am I right now...or you or anyone?

A thread like this was set up to be confrontational. As I read the OP, I felt his pain as he set up this debate forum.

I have made a couple of posts here (and elsewhere) and have tried to offer good experience to the mix. The truth is...verily, verily I say, you have to go do it yourself. To me it is always confrontational and ludicrous to ask someone else's opinion. No one wins in a debate. No one.

And no one is responsible for the results of my actions except me. Therefore it is a deflection to ask for others opinion.

GO, do it, if there is a dream to cruise...do it. It might only last 2 days. It might be the best or the worst 2 days of your life! But then you can build on your own experiences!

As long as it lasts, you will know you are ultimately and absolutely responsible for the outcome. My best guess is that regardless of the outcome, you will will feel a higher level of understanding for the concept of responsibility.

Like the yin and yang principle, skim over the negative chatter and give proper consideration to the positive. Somewhere in between lies the truth.

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Why a Cat? Because people want to eat their cake and sail in it tooo.



Wait, what? thats not a cake, its the new Leopard 58 https://www.leopardcatamarans.com/catamarans/leopard-58

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In a nutshell here is my current view of what the vocal sailing community thinks:
---bluewater Mono hulls exclude the so called production boats (Benateau, Jeanneau, Hanse, Bavaria, etc etc.)with bolt on keels, sail drives, unprotected rudders and rigging-gear-sails-hardware are just not sturdy enough for extended circumnavigation but are fine for a crossing or some cruising.
---bluewater Multi hulls can be any boat above 40 feet, this does not exclude any new "production boat" (Leopard, FP, Lagoon, etc, etc, etc) so any boat above the "right size" is a bluewater circumnavigating boat.

Also, an ocean can be crossed on some logs tied together so let's not go there.

Whole Question: Am I missing something? There seems to be no great stigma attached to so called "production boat" in the multihull cruising universe compared to the monohull cruising universe when it comes to living aboard and sailing around the world. Is it just that the great majority of people posting on the internet about multihulls just do "coastal cruising" and the majority of people posting on the internet about monohulls are "circumnavigators"?
I think highly of this book, which might answer some of the OP's question, as expressed in the quote above and the thread's title.....

Marchaj, C A: Seaworthiness: The Forgotten Factor

https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Sea...rgotten+factor
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I tried my best to be succinct and not argumentative with my initial post. Tone of voice is not conveyed with the written word unless you spell it out, literally, or use emoticons excessively.

Some great responses in the thread, thank you all
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Do you (or I) want to be a positive example for the world, or negative?

A thread like this was set up to be confrontational. As I read the OP, I felt his pain as he set up this debate forum.

To me it is always confrontational and ludicrous to ask someone else's opinion. No one wins in a debate. No one.
That's just crazy talk, you have a IMO pathological aversion to "confrontation". Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater!

All my best learning has come from spirited debates, strongly felt deep differences of opinion, whether participating or just lurking.

True, sometimes personalities get in the way of conveying valuable information, but for me separating the wheat from the chaff, discerning who to pay more attention to is well worth a little discomfort.
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Such a tiny number actually going offshore on a regular basis, likely .000001% compared to everyone else with "a boat".

Most of whom seem to be drunken total idiots some weekends. 8-)

But usually not stupid enough to float out of site of land unprepared.
That number/percentage is a bit low I'd say.

Many on the coast near large bays/oceans etc go out of site of land quite often on our good old boats for a bit of peace and quite...................at least a few weeks a month when the weather is decent
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Re: Researching boats: Question about "bluewater" moniker

Lists of Bluewater Boats. The lists give you some idea of what a bluewater boat should be......

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Mahina Expeditions - Selecting A Boat for Offshore Cruising

Atom Voyages - Good Old Boats List
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