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Canibul · 14-01-2012, 04:20

haven't known you long enough to predict how reasonably you might say something.

quirimbas · 15-01-2012, 00:00

the Wharran Tiki30 tiller steering ersus hydraulic steering with my Catalac10m. Weather helm, perfect trim and balance very easy to achieve with the tiller steering, no autopilot, on the Tiki no proble as the steering is exhilirating, the cat is very light, smallest steering corrections total feeling of being one with the elements and the cat. Hydraulic steering not great fun hand wheel steering, as i once had to do for three days and nights with autopilot problem. The autopilot has taken over and yes there is a sense of less contact, feel, fun sailing, but more time to play with sails and trim, observe, relax, concentrate on the piloting. Both cats make quite a bit of leeway in certain conditions, but once you get used to that doesnt seem to matter much. The steering is ofcourse very different when motoring, the Tiki had 15hp 4stroke outboard in central well, as cat light easy to steer and correct errors, with Catalac i end up motoring more as sails dont go up or come down as easily as on Tiki, the twin inboard diesel marine engines give great control, under way motoring with one engine and the autopilot compensating the power from port or starboard located engine. In a windy conditions under sail the autopilot demands good balance or will kick out even after fine tuning adjustments.

quirimbas · 15-01-2012, 01:47

Richard Woods actually deals with issues we multihull sailboat owners are
concerned about and which we can comment about from our own multihull owner experience: Eclipse review

Lagoon4us · 15-01-2012, 02:06

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Originally Posted by Canibul

now that's being proa active.

ROFLMFAO

bahamarich · 15-01-2012, 04:18

I currently sail and live onboard a Manta 42, but my wife and I started sailing as kids on a Hobie Cat 16 that we just loved. We moved on to keel boats and went as far as living aboard an Island Packet 350 for five years, which is as far away from a catamaran as you can get.

In 2007 we bought a new Gemini 105 to accommodate our dog that refused to heel, but found it a bit too small for a couple and a dog to live on. I know folks do it but for us it was too small; I'm a big guy. The Gemini was well thought out and had a few slick features.

Now on the Manta 42 plenty of room, sails good, and all the systems you could want, but when I see a Hobie flying accross the water I miss those days. It was great fun and I think more yacht clubs should have a feet of Hobies as with other dinghy classes. The thrill of sailing a Hobie blows away the wave runner water bug things kids want now a days. I'd like to pull a Hobie behind my Manta, this is of course humor. rich

Canibul · 15-01-2012, 05:53

Put a Tandem Island on board?
They come apart real easy into the main hull, two amas, four akas, and the mast. Assemble in five minutes. Could you distribute those pieces around the boat? The amas are light. And provide floatation, don't forget. stick em someplace where you'd like to have floatation if you ever needed some, ha ha. Anyhow the Heaviest piece the main hull, at about 90 lbs. I think. Goes like stink with the Mirage Drives as a tandem kayak alone. You can go 4 kts. all day long on your legs, with your hands free.
With the sail, we've hit 11 kts. on the GPS a couple of times, typically reefed a little, with the tramps rolled up, in the lee of a sand bar, in 20 kts. kind of setup. We hit 9-10 kt bursts often. that feels really quick when your butt is at water level. Think go-cart with a pedal drive backup. Paddles too, come to think of it. 3 forms of propulsion. We typically only use paddles for reversing and as a whisker pole.

We did have to scale the dog down to the little tri, but he loves the tramps...

If we had a cat big enough to distribute the load, we'd love to take a TI along. I think total weight is around 190 lbs. would that strap across the tramps? 90 lb part is 18 ft. long.

sails really well, with two big people, cooler, snorkel gear, and dog, no prob.

bahamarich · 15-01-2012, 06:21

Very cool, already went online to check them out. It's always good to have one more toy on board and our dog likes a fast sail on a boat better than a pick-up truck ride.

rich

**atoll** · 15-01-2012, 06:30

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Originally Posted by Canibul

Put a Tandem Island on board?
They come apart real easy into the main hull, two amas, four akas, and the mast. Assemble in five minutes. Could you distribute those pieces around the boat? The amas are light. And provide floatation, don't forget. stick em someplace where you'd like to have floatation if you ever needed some, ha ha. Anyhow the Heaviest piece the main hull, at about 90 lbs. I think. Goes like stink with the Mirage Drives as a tandem kayak alone. You can go 4 kts. all day long on your legs, with your hands free.
With the sail, we've hit 11 kts. on the GPS a couple of times, typically reefed a little, with the tramps rolled up, in the lee of a sand bar, in 20 kts. kind of setup. We hit 9-10 kt bursts often. that feels really quick when your butt is at water level. Think go-cart with a pedal drive backup. Paddles too, come to think of it. 3 forms of propulsion. We typically only use paddles for reversing and as a whisker pole.

We did have to scale the dog down to the little tri, but he loves the tramps...

If we had a cat big enough to distribute the load, we'd love to take a TI along. I think total weight is around 190 lbs. would that strap across the tramps? 90 lb part is 18 ft. long.

sails really well, with two big people, cooler, snorkel gear, and dog, no prob.

your'e definitely going to have to get a bigger dog,that one's not going to feed you for long on a desert island......

Canibul · 15-01-2012, 09:03

We're training him to dive for conch and steal wallets from tourists.
Briefly thought about putting him though a DEA dog school, and then letting him flunk out after he learned all the basics. But he refuses to sign an employment contract and you know how the government is about their paperwork.

bigger dogs okay. each ama will float 220 lbs. You can stand up in the boat with them out. There are videos of families of four or more cruising around on Tandem Islands. There are some good deals around on used Adventure Islands, which was the original one person design. Those are a lot shorter, easier to pack, but you need to look at how much weight you want to sail with. Other than that, those are great, too. People use them for fishing, diving, etc. all over the world. Great little boats.

bahamarich · 15-01-2012, 10:33

Our dog can't dive but she can fly and she can sleep. I dive for fish and shell while KT sleeps, she looks at us as ship wreaked treats. rich

**atoll** · 15-01-2012, 10:43

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Originally Posted by bahamarich

Our dog can't dive but she can fly and she can sleep. I dive for fish and shell while KT sleeps, she looks at us as ship wreaked treats. rich

i take it back if she can catch conch,dive for wallet's,snort drugs and fly,your probably best off with a small dog lol.....a stoned airbourne st.bernard could be a handful.....they are bad enough in the snow when they have been drinking