Originally Posted by RMH
Many thanks for the kind advice
for which I am sincerely grateful.
I have sent an email
to try and join the Catana yahoo group and am waiting on a reply.
I don't know the Phisa 42 and even though I have looked it up I cannot see any for sale
. Can you please tell me why a Phisa as oppose to a Catana ? Other than the 401 what other model of Catana in the 40 - 50ft range do you think I would be wise to consider for under £200,000 ?
My understanding is that the older Catana's see to have a better rep than the newer Catana's ?
What are your thoughts about the Catana 41 ?
The Outremers are very well thought of but a good one in budget
is as rare as donkey do doo's
Plus the Outremers seem very very expensive and I wonder how much of that is value for money
We appear to have some similar search criteria so ill give you a detailed reply. Im an ex mono sailor too that wanted a performance oriented design that sailed well including to windward and could be easily managed single
handed. It also had to be based in europe
for our cruing plans to start there. I am obviously biased like all boat owners but my reasoning is based on real world cruising experience.
We chartered and test sailed all the usual designs in our size range - FPs lagoon
, lightwave leopard
etc. It was enough to show us we didnt want a condomaran and we definitely wanted daggerboards. Ill probably get some flack on this forum for saying this but IMHO most of these designs only sail wellish in tradewinds compared to the likes of outremers and catanas which sail well in a much wider range of conditions including upwind. Importantly for a couple they can be easily single
handed even in rough conditions where they dont suffer from high windage and bigger sail areas that the large condo type cats need to get going.
I really like the open cockpit
layout with the central elec winch
of the catana design. reefing, raising etc is easy. Twin mainsheet a good way to go with less to break and inbuilt preventer.
Like you i lusted after the outremers for the sailing performance but the admiral was less impressed with the accommodation compromises and once i got chance to inspect the solid FG hulls on a hardstand
I ruled them out too (noisy and lots of flex).
the catanas become the preferred choice due to still good performance but with a better comfort level all round and thats when we stumbled onto the phisa - catana body with a modern high quality fit out but without the modern catana price
We were berthed alongside a 401 this year and I can tell you if you do get the chance to see a phisa you will switch to it over the 401 mainly for the better and more modern layout and better fit out quality (phisa were catanas cabinetmakers so the internals are second to none). The main change to the mould was to lengthen the stern for load carrying which was needed for longer term cruising payloads I think.
Our cruising payload is 2 tonnes which we have found to be adequate as a longterm cruising couple but Im on the lookout for a lighter tender
as these boats really fly when they are light. Im not sure what the 401 would be but it would be less than this while the 411 is more i think. We came across a hopelessly overloaded 411 this year at 14 tonnes but the skipper
still said he averaged around 8 knots and that was with a mast furling
The other big plus to the phisa over the 401 and 411 to my mind is the phisa has a similar helm layout to the bigger catana 431s and up. ie they are raised enough to see all points forward over the saloon
roof where as the smaller catanas do suffer from limited visibility to the far bow. The engine
bays are also close to twice the size on ours due to the stern extensions which any long term cruiser will tell you is a huge plus.
You are right the older catanas do have the better rep out there but they do come with an older internal layout too. again that led us to the phisa with a modern layout but with the older catana hulls.
Take the anti aft helm brigade with a grain of salt
too. Most that knock them have simply not tried them and are firmly in the condomaran camp. For actual helming under sail they simply cannot be beaten. If the weather is foul the saloon
and the smart pilot are my best friends rather than have the huge windage compromise of a fully enclosed flybridge or similar.
Now ive given a couple of 44 and 46 foot monos a decent headstart to nisiros from here in astipaliya and im off to reell em in (beam reaching in 20 odd knots)