Cruisers Forum
 


Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 18-04-2020, 02:59   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 9
Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

Hi all
New to the forum and after many years of hard work and no time to have a boat, I finally have the opportunity again.
Had planned to buy a beach house in Thailand (I live in Myanmar), but have decided to go for a mobile sea view condo, a catamaran.
Can then move around in the area and keep away from monsoon season by alternating between the SE Asian countries. Myanmar have monsoon season from mid May to October.
Since Myanmar have no Marinas and even possibility for having a shore connection, since electricity is scarce and not available in the coastal cities, I need a cat with the full package, such as generator set, freshwater maker, A/C (since very hot and humid here) and all other needed household appliances (washing machine, dishwasher etc.).

I struggle a bit in regards to going for a new smart solutioned modern type, like the new Bali series (4.3/4.6/4.8/5.4) with the open concept or buy an older, but massive Lagoon 560, Sunreef 62 or similar.
I would guess that the more open and airy/large spaced, the better. But since I haven't owned a cat before, I am not sure about what type that would give me the best overall feeling.
Definitely like the ones with a large social flybridge area, since more air circulation the higher you get, so possibly an older larger one will be the best ? Budget 400-700.000 USD.

Finally, I guess there will be a buyers market pretty soon, since the COVID-19 situation will make it tough for the charter boats and possibly for others too...
thor1958 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 03:21   #2
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: On the boat
Boat: Lagoon 400
Posts: 1,799
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

i went for newer and smaller.

Originally looking for Lagoon 44 or 450, 6-7 years old but for same money bought Lagoon 400 1 year old.

Boat was debugged so no issues in next 6 years. Also as we got things nearly new, one learns proper maintenance and care and things last longer.

Also we have noticed smell in older boats. Some people do not mind, but it is important to us - no smells.

it is bit less performance but we talk 5 % or so and I am not stressed about it.

newer/smaller works for us.
arsenelupiga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 04:50   #3
Registered User

Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 9
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

Yes, I guess you are right about buying a next to new boat giving less risk for technical issues and if older boats are smelly, not so good.
Still, looking the Lagoon 560, it is quite an impressive sight due to its size.
Guess I should pop down to Phuket as soon as the curfew and covid lockdown is over and check out odl vs. new in person.
thor1958 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 06:44   #4
Senior Cruiser
 
GordMay's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W
Boat: (Cruiser Living On Dirt)
Posts: 39,148
Images: 241
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Thor.

It would be interesting to learn what took you to Burma.
__________________
Gord May
"If you didn't have the time or money to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"



GordMay is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 07:49   #5
Registered User
 
Sand crab's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Boat: 34' Crowther tri sold 16' Kayak now
Posts: 4,259
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

The L560 has a 31' beam. You will have limited (translate to expensive) options on marina slips and haulout.
__________________
We don't need no stinking badges.
Sand crab is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 08:08   #6
Registered User

Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 545
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

everything is more expensive for a larger boat
owly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 09:18   #7
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 92
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

The conventional wisdom is "buy the smallest boat you can tolerate". Personally I would rather have a Grand Banks 42 than a 36 so I don't always follow conventional wisdom
Exctyengr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 09:25   #8
Registered User
 
garyfdl's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Fond du Lac WI
Posts: 130
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

In my experience, "older and larger" correlates to "more money and work"...
garyfdl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 09:41   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,762
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

The conventional wisdom is to "buy small", but I've noticed that almost everyone living on a boat ends up trading their boat in for a bigger one, not a smaller one.
letsgetsailing3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 09:44   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 5,944
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

Quality is more important than age,to a degree.
robert sailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 10:07   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 515
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

Quote:
Originally Posted by thor1958 View Post
Hi all
New to the forum and after many years of hard work and no time to have a boat, I finally have the opportunity again.
Had planned to buy a beach house in Thailand (I live in Myanmar), but have decided to go for a mobile sea view condo, a catamaran.
Can then move around in the area and keep away from monsoon season by alternating between the SE Asian countries. Myanmar have monsoon season from mid May to October.
Since Myanmar have no Marinas and even possibility for having a shore connection, since electricity is scarce and not available in the coastal cities, I need a cat with the full package, such as generator set, freshwater maker, A/C (since very hot and humid here) and all other needed household appliances (washing machine, dishwasher etc.).

I struggle a bit in regards to going for a new smart solutioned modern type, like the new Bali series (4.3/4.6/4.8/5.4) with the open concept or buy an older, but massive Lagoon 560, Sunreef 62 or similar.
I would guess that the more open and airy/large spaced, the better. But since I haven't owned a cat before, I am not sure about what type that would give me the best overall feeling.
Definitely like the ones with a large social flybridge area, since more air circulation the higher you get, so possibly an older larger one will be the best ? Budget 400-700.000 USD.

Finally, I guess there will be a buyers market pretty soon, since the COVID-19 situation will make it tough for the charter boats and possibly for others too...
With that budget, I'd look at a new Seawind 41', made in Vietnam to an Aussie specification. Most cats in this size range have four cabins (some with four heads as well) So the only difference in length is in the cockpit and saloon. The Seawind I just saw reviewed can be had fairly well equipped for less than 500K US. The nice thing about a new one is that you can make cosmetic choices that suit you.
joelhemington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 10:12   #12
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2018
Boat: I can’t use epoxy. Please don’t suggest it. It can kill me. 50’ performance cat
Posts: 3,756
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

I will be the contrarian. Older and larger. The larger boat you have, the more comfortable it is. And I am not talking about the interior. I am talking about the motion at sea and at anchor which is probably even more important.

Water line length and displacement are what makes a boat comfortable.

No matter what you do with a smaller boat, it will never be as comfortable as a larger one.
Chotu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 10:22   #13
Registered User
 
tomfl's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Florida
Boat: Seawind 1000xl
Posts: 2,659
Images: 15
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

Not so easy to answer your question. First factor I would need to know is your sailing experience. I can easily single hand my Seawind so it is a good fit for me. If you can't do that what kinda crew are you expecting to have and will you need to pay them. Another big issue is can you maintain the boat yourself or will you have to pay others to do it and can you get to a haul out facility where it can be maintained.

As a rule smaller newer boats are easier to sail and maintain. But my biggest rule in selecting a boat is the whole idea is to have fun. You should get on as many boats as possible and see which ones you like. Things like how easy it is for you to move around the boat, up and down the companion way, is the head big enough for you, and a host of other things you can only know about by being on the boat. Not to mention the sailing stuff like raising and lowering sails, reefing, anchoring, and getting in and out of the water from the boat if you dive or swim. The size and newness of the boat does not affect a lot of these issues; you have to walk the walk to talk the talk.
tomfl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 10:28   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Eastern Caribbean for the 2020 season then east coast or Panama
Boat: Lagoon 470 cat
Posts: 496
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

Really depends on what you want to do with it. In a slip, at anchor or underway a lot. No matter what you will be spending most of the time not underway. Larger is pretty much always more comfortable underway.



A 55' cat is has about twice the space of a 45' so it partly comes down to how much space do you want, how many will be on board, etc. Everyone has a different combination / answer to this. Good luck finding your answer.
Moontide is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18-04-2020, 11:10   #15
Registered User

Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Coastal Virginia
Posts: 433
Images: 2
Re: Older and large vs. new and smaller - same budget

My personal preference would be to go straight to the Seawind, slightly used or brand new. I think these boats are very well thought out. Picking a new one up in Vietnam, tweaked to my choices, would be outstanding.

When I was going through the process of choosing I found it VERY helpful to get on board the prospective boats. Many were quickly eliminated and the short list became tightly focused on our preferences.
__________________
Brent
S/V Second Star
Sparx is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
budget

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
newer and smaller or older and bigger? mabai Boat Ownership & Making a Living 36 12-06-2019 07:13
What would you chosse: newer but smaller or older and cheaper? riki Multihull Sailboats 36 09-12-2018 12:53
Same Chemistry, Same Age, Different AH Thin Line Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 13 23-02-2015 08:28
Same old, same old in the polar regions knottybuoyz Polar Regions 4 07-03-2008 18:44

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 13:18.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.