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Old 13-08-2019, 06:05   #91
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Re: New Excess Catamaran Brand

Reverse bows in cruising context are a fad. Especially when a boat is 18T.


Pretty to some eyes, ugly to others, as long as buyers want it, why not.


I too wonder why the boat displaces this much.


On the other hand, comparing two modern well established French cat makes I find the difference, in one size, to be 2x. So maybe that 18T is much, still not an extreme end. Wait till the owner adds all the usu cruising garbage. Then a boat that displaces MORE can actually be an asset - it may be designed to better carry extra loads.


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Old 11-09-2019, 12:03   #92
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If you want a sneak peek at the Excess cats, go to this video at 10:58 (end of video) from Cat Great Circle YouTube series.

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Old 12-09-2019, 01:30   #93
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Reverse bows are a way of maximising WL (mono racing rules) so have the impression of making non racing boats look fast. They also make for a very wet boat.

For the heavy stuff a flare with good bouyancy will prevent diving. Remember the big race catamarans Team Adventure, Explorer and Play Station. The most developed boat was Play Station and the massive destroyer bows were added to stop diving in waves and and maintain a constant high overall speed. It also made the boat more comfortable, purely sujective in this context.

Reverse bows on the other hand may have contributed to the demise of Team Phillips as it would dive with the consequential wave impact on the pod.

When sailing fast or in rough conditions cats with slab sides and no overhang need much greater bridgedeck clearance if they are to avoid slamming, whereas a cat with flared sides and an overhanging bow will maintain a much more constant speed because it won't be slowed by sudden increase in drag as it dives and the slowing effect of wave impact under the bridgedeck. The ride wil be less jerky and dryer topsides. Water is thicker than air so any design feature that drives a boat deeper into the water is a waste of energy that could otherwise be used to propell the boat forward. This is not the same as for wave piercers or SWATH designs that relay on constant immersion of a known section of hull.

Reverse bows on an 18T cat doing single digit speeds it is just a fashion accessory.
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"Excess"? lolol...only Beneteau!
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Old 15-09-2019, 14:12   #95
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Only Benneteau or not only, this is from a company that is a market leader.


The company happens to be from a country that is a sailing sector leader.


Even worse, given experience range from boats like Banque Populaire vie Outremer, Catana to Lagoon and FP ....


You are likely buying a decent product, eh?


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Much as, within a different price and mindset bracket, I would personally opt for:


https://xquisiteyachts.com/


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Much as, within a different price and mindset bracket, I would personally opt for:


https://xquisiteyachts.com/


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They are awesome boats and compared to same size production cats, a bargain.
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Much as, within a different price and mindset bracket, I would personally opt for:
https://xquisiteyachts.com/
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21 tonnes light ship, comfort rather than performance

https://norpol-yachting.com/yacht/banuls-53/

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Much as, within a different price and mindset bracket, I would personally opt for:


https://xquisiteyachts.com/


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An amazing boat. Looks like about $1.6 delivered and commissioned when fully outfitted so not quite a direct comparison with the volume production folks, but not out of line with the high quality builders. They have an interesting option for $12,000 per year for a factory technician to come to the boat and do a complete maintenance review. I'm assuming anything that needs fixing is extra, but a neat idea.
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Just had a notification of this walkthrough of the 15.

If you can gloss over the grating commentary, she looks pretty good!

https://youtu.be/LqpYIdGyOc8

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Just had a notification of this walkthrough of the 15.



If you can gloss over the grating commentary, she looks pretty good!



https://youtu.be/LqpYIdGyOc8



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What’s the matter with the commentary
Haha watched the video pre morning coffee, stuck in London and just being grumpy!

Looks a belter of a boat...

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I really do not care about this Cat...

I do not know what is the target audience.
Cruisers who do not really cruise?
Racers who do not really race?

Could it have less bridgedeck clearance? It will be miserable in heavy weather.
The helm positions will be horrible in rough/rainy weather or when close to other boats.

It looks like a dressed up (in a somewhat sporty way) Lagoon. In my mind, without knowing the specs or pricing, it should be priced less than the equivalent Lagoon. Unless, the construction is so much better than the Lagoon, which I doubt.

But, knowing Beneteau, it will sell at least in the charter market.
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I really do not care about this Cat...

I do not know what is the target audience.
Cruisers who do not really cruise?
Racers who do not really race?

Could it have less bridgedeck clearance? It will be miserable in heavy weather.
The helm positions will be horrible in rough/rainy weather or when close to other boats.

It looks like a dressed up (in a somewhat sporty way) Lagoon. In my mind, without knowing the specs or pricing, it should be priced less than the equivalent Lagoon. Unless, the construction is so much better than the Lagoon, which I doubt.

But, knowing Beneteau, it will sell at least in the charter market.
So why comment then if you donít care about it? The specs are on the website, any boat can be a cruiser, and Bavaria have proven those helm positions work well.

If you donít like it, just move along.....

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So why comment then if you donít care about it? The specs are on the website, any boat can be a cruiser, and Bavaria have proven those helm positions work well.

If you donít like it, just move along.....

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I thought this was a public forum and people could speak their minds?...

But, you're right. I have no interest in this boat and I am moving along.

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