NEW 47? ok, nice, but what's the diff' ??

[alexxx]

ok , so just saw the video of the new FP 47 catamaran, due for launch next year.... I'm a bit disappointed with the exterior design.... it's the exact same look as the lucia-40, but much bigger........i' disappointed....why did they do that?? the helia-44 and saba-50 looks are much nicer and balanced, in my humble opinon... but forget the design...... the size differences between the helia-44, the lagoon-45-sport-top and the New 47 are minimal.......it's like one foot each time.........and between the New 47 and the Lagoon-45 it's not even a foot......
So why would i caugh out an extra 200 thousand euros (at least) on the New 47???? performance?...........i dunno what to think here.........
and on the day of the announcement of the New-47, the Fountaine Pajot share price went down almost 2 per cent, while the rest of the market was up....... which i thought was a bit strange, however much I LOVE Fountaine pajot as a whole......
any thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTKz8XsAhng

[Factor]

I shudder to think how heavy that will be

[Cotemar]

The Helia 44 design started it all, back in 2012/2013 . They are on hull#150 right now, so it has done well for them.
It was so well received, that Fountaine Pajot is just shrinking and stretching the design to fit all the sizes.

Fountaine-Pajot 40, 44, 47, 50, 58, 68
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There main competition,Lagoon sizes them pretty close together also
Lagoon 380, 39, 400, 42, 450F, 450 S, 52F, 52S, 560, 620, SEVENTY 7

[Andrew Grace]

Originally Posted by Factor

I shudder to think how heavy that will be

My bid would be something around 20 T....

Need to start a pool to pick the weight

[Cotemar]

Originally Posted by Andrew Grace

My bid would be something around 20 T....

Need to start a pool to pick the weight

New Fountaine-Pajot 47

Length over all
13.94 m / 46 ft

Beam over all
7.70 m / 25,3 ft

Displacement unloaded
13,8 T approx

Draft
1.3 m / 4,3 ft

Sail area
75 m² / 807 sq ft

Genoa area
52 m² / 560 sq ft

Standard Power
2 x 40 CV / 2 x 40 hp

Architect
Berret-Racoupeau Yacht Design

Maestro version
1 owner’s suite + 1 bathroom / 2 double cabins + 2 bathrooms

Quintet Version
5 double cabins + 5 bathrooms

Fresh water capacity
185 US gallons / 700 liters (approx)

Fuel capacity
2 x 124 US gallons / 2 x 470 l (approx)

[Ulstue]

Originally Posted by Cotemar

New Fountaine-Pajot 47

Length over all
13.94 m / 46 ft

Beam over all
7.70 m / 25,3 ft
....

Thus, the FP 47 is almost as big as the L 450. I think they bring the 47th as a challenger for the L 450, because the Helia is only as big as the L42. The larger numbers should probably hide the fact that an FP is always at least as expensive as the Lagoon a number larger.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by Cotemar

Displacement unloaded

I will believe that when I see the load cells

[tuskie]

Originally Posted by Factor

I will believe that when I see the load cells

Add nearly 2 ton just by filling the tanks.

FP aren't the only manufacturer that quotes quite unrealistically low displacement. For a cruising catamaran, the most useful figure is the Maximum design displacement. Once you pay for the new boat, wait, then weigh it when it is delivered, be shocked and then revise what you hope to load onboard so as not to exceed max displacement.

[AndyandDawn]

My initial reaction was very pleasing. More room in the 3 cabin owners version. Sail area larger than Helia and still not as heavy as the L450.

I was poking around and seen it advertised for 435.000 Euro at
New 47 : Sailing Catamaran Fountaine Pajot Catamarans New 47 sur Bateaux-Antilles.fr

I would think this of course would be base price.

Looks to be more catered to the cruiser market than the Helia, Saba and L450. And at this pricing level it is seemingly more than competitive than the L450.

I'm interested.

[befree]

I'm interested as well but would like to see a four cabin layout similar to the Saba 50. I would also like to see a new layout on the Leopard 48 with a four cabin owners stateroom layout, maybe similar to a a Saba 50 with some lounging areas on top and an Island in the Galley. Some of the newer layouts on the newer boats are pretty impressive.

[Ulstue]

Originally Posted by AndyandDawn

My initial reaction was very pleasing. More room in the 3 cabin owners version. Sail area larger than Helia and still not as heavy as the L450.

I was poking around and seen it advertised for 435.000 Euro at
New 47 : Sailing Catamaran Fountaine Pajot Catamarans New 47 sur Bateaux-Antilles.fr

I would think this of course would be base price.

(...) And at this pricing level it is seemingly more than competitive than the L450.

This is 60 000,- more as the baseprice of the bigger L450 with the same displacement. For an equipped boat, the price difference is even higher.

[cenicero]

I think the OP should learn to spell before considering a kattamarran

[rajsach]

Originally Posted by befree

I'm interested as well but would like to see a four cabin layout similar to the Saba 50. I would also like to see a new layout on the Leopard 48 with a four cabin owners stateroom layout, maybe similar to a a Saba 50 with some lounging areas on top and an Island in the Galley. Some of the newer layouts on the newer boats are pretty impressive.

I have a feeling that leopard will come out with a 52 foot version pretty soon. If you look at their line that's the only one that's missing


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[Factor]

Originally Posted by tuskie

....Once you pay for the new boat, wait, then weigh it when it is delivered, be shocked and then revise what you hope to load onboard so as not to exceed max displacement.

Which is one reason I like Outremer, they will build a boat to the weight they state in the contract, with penalties etc if it is not at that weight.

[tuskie]

Originally Posted by Factor

Which is one reason I like Outremer, they will build a boat to the weight they state in the contract, with penalties etc if it is not at that weight.

Yeah, they have a dedicated following. Unfortunately, the new cost means that I could never afford a new "Outie", so a penalty for being overweight is something to dream about.

I did however look at a secondhand Outremer 49, complete with carbon fibre tiller pose seats. Thought it might fit the bill as a "performance cruiser". Wrong! The broker said the sellers were "motivated", so it was worth a look. Nice boat with an unladen displacement of just under 10 tonnes. Don't know if the owners weighed it at delivery, but Outremers own figures stated that maximum displacement was 12.6 tonnes. (Please check!) So only 2,600 kg payload. More than half of that would be used by just filling the tanks! What a joke! It might have the performance, but with such a paltry payload it certainly didn't fit my requirements for a liveaboard cruiser. And that was a 49 footer; a fair lump of boat. The smaller ones would presumably have even less payload; a half bagette, no fromage and the petite mademoiselle must go on a diet. And we must drill holes in our toothbrushes to make them lighter.

This is my point; if looking to cruise on a catamaran, look for Maximum displacement not some useless theoretical unladen figure.