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03-09-2021, 18:51
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Daajing Giids, Haida Gwaii, B.C.
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Made fast, or maybe too fast?
Walking the dock, l noticed a few examples of how not to tie up a boat. I have to share a couple that are more like macrame than anything else.
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03-09-2021, 19:14
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Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 1,636
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
Can't tie a knot tie a lot.
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03-09-2021, 19:19
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Marine Service Provider
Join Date: Jan 2019
Boat: Beneteau 432, C&C Landfall 42, Roberts Offshore 38
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
oh yeah...I've seen my share of "granny" knots as I've been known to call them
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03-09-2021, 19:44
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Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: SoCal
Boat: Formosa 30 ketch
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
Waaaay back in USCG boot camp, those were known as "Hatchet Hitches" and were good for a few pushups.
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04-09-2021, 07:52
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Marine Service Provider
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
at the marina, those knots are referred to as " new girlfriend" knots..
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04-09-2021, 14:31
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Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Sydney, Australia
Boat: Phantom 32
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
Can relate to that
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04-09-2021, 15:33
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: On board
Boat: Knysna 480
Posts: 80
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
Always check the cleats after entering a new Marina…most dock hands only wrap lines around them without securing the line.
I constantly try to teach new deckhands the correct way…most are too busy on their phone
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04-09-2021, 16:55
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Mannum, Australia
Boat: Houseboat, 60ft.
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
ex-truckie I'd say? Guess not many on here would have handled tarps?
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04-09-2021, 17:12
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Location: Bay of Fundy,Grand Manan,N.B.,Canada N44.40 W66.50
Boat: Mascot 28 pilothouse motorsailer 28ft
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
Douglass Hitch for bull rail.
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04-09-2021, 17:31
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: On Vessel WINGS, wherever there's an ocean, currently in Mexico
Boat: Serendipity 43
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
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Originally Posted by partingclouds
Walking the dock, l noticed a few examples of how not to tie up a boat. I have to share a couple that are more like macrame than anything else.
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I'm not to worried about any of these knots. Not pretty but they'd probably hold.
What concerns me more is the use of non-stretch lines (old jib sheets) and particularly when tied from a midship cleat on the boat directly to a dock cleat right adjacent to the middle of the boat. We have a bit of surge here and that type of tying absolutely prevents the boat from rolling in the surge.
And it yanks out cleats, either on the dock or on the boat.
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04-09-2021, 19:39
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Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Rochester, NY
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
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Originally Posted by wingssail
I'm not to worried about any of these knots. Not pretty but they'd probably hold.
What concerns me more is the use of non-stretch lines (old jib sheets) and particularly when tied from a midship cleat on the boat directly to a dock cleat right adjacent to the middle of the boat. We have a bit of surge here and that type of tying absolutely prevents the boat from rolling in the surge.
And it yanks out cleats, either on the dock or on the boat.
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Agreed. People think I'm crazy for having no dock lines under 25ft. And I often use multiple 20+ foot spring lines to tie up on a side tie with only a loose bow line and no breast like at the stern. But the boat doesn't jerk around in a wind gust that way, as everything is at low angles and long for plenty of stretch. So it takes up nice and gently.
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04-09-2021, 20:33
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: On Vessel WINGS, wherever there's an ocean, currently in Mexico
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
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Originally Posted by rslifkin
Agreed. People think I'm crazy for having no dock lines under 25ft. And I often use multiple 20+ foot spring lines to tie up on a side tie with only a loose bow line and no breast like at the stern. But the boat doesn't jerk around in a wind gust that way, as everything is at low angles and long for plenty of stretch. So it takes up nice and gently.
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Yes, exactly
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04-09-2021, 21:32
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
And don’t forget the cleat hitch divide:
Pretty much everyone in the US insists that you must use a cleat hitch and Europe insists you must never use a cleat hitch*.
Rest of the world about 50:50 I would guess.
*Not a scientific survey!
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04-09-2021, 22:59
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Join Date: Feb 2015
Boat: Land bound, previously Morgan 462
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
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Originally Posted by ChrisJHC
And don’t forget the cleat hitch divide:
Pretty much everyone in the US insists that you must use a cleat hitch and Europe insists you must never use a cleat hitch*.
Rest of the world about 50:50 I would guess.
*Not a scientific survey!
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What do you call a cleat hitch - the name could mean anything. The cleat hitches I hate are the ones usually tied by dock hands at marinas south of the border. They have some way of trapping the tail end under a round turn which makes it very difficult to release. Figure 8 is the best because it can be released under any amount of tension. If you feel it releases too easily, just make a second locking turn.
We were in a marina where they prohibited more than than the minimum number of turns on a cleat - some people try to use up all the extra line by stacking up many diagonal turns. The marina said it would take too long to release the lines in case of fire and boat had to be moved.
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04-09-2021, 23:08
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Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Lake Macquarie
Boat: Farr 1020
Posts: 486
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Re: Made fast, or maybe too fast?
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Originally Posted by waterman46
What do you call a cleat hitch - the name could mean anything. The cleat hitches I hate are the ones usually tied by dock hands at marinas south of the border. They have some way of trapping the tail end under a round turn which makes it very difficult to release. Figure 8 is the best because it can be released under any amount of tension. If you feel it releases too easily, just make a second locking turn.
We were in a marina where they prohibited more than than the minimum number of turns on a cleat - some people try to use up all the extra line by stacking up many diagonal turns. The marina said it would take too long to release the lines in case of fire and boat had to be moved.
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My training, in Pommyland, was always: 1 full turn, 2 figure 8s then 1 full turn and on dinghys, never use a locking hitch!
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