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Old 02-09-2021, 08:24   #226
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Here is a video on You Tube That a crewmember is recording the sounds below deck of the lagoon 50 cruising at 10kt And I wonder how long can a boat take this before it has major problems?

Listen to the bulkheads on this Lagoon Catamaran..

It is often only the furniture and the lining /panels. There are big forces at work upwind into the swell, even for a 50 footer.
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It is often only the furniture and the lining /panels. There are big forces at work upwind into the swell, even for a 50 footer.
I don't think it is a good thing. My Oyster is completely silent by the way and in much worse a sea state than that.
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I don't think it is a good thing. My Oyster is completely silent by the way and in much worse a sea state than that.
I didn't realize Oyster made catamarans.
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Never owned a catamaran that made noises like that and wouldn’t put up with it.
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Never owned a catamaran that made noises like that and wouldn’t put up with it.
Agree, that boat is doomed
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Here is a video on You Tube That a crewmember is recording the sounds below deck of the lagoon 50 cruising at 10kt And I wonder how long can a boat take this before it has major problems?
Listen to the bulkheads on this Lagoon Catamaran..
I saw this boat on the hard in Curacao. I don't think it moved in the yard for over a year before it sold. I met the new owner, nice guy, who didn't look at all like the guy in the video. There must be some connection though as it's truly hard to believe that anyone would be so cheeky as to defame another man's property or bare his privacy on the internet for a few moments of fame.
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I can't imagine buying that boat after a sea trial!
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Re: Lagoon cats now on discount...

Colin finished his Superyacht job and flew to France to meet the head guys at the Lagoon factory. He got the tour and there are some vids of production provided by Lagoon. Lagoon has a package for the bulkhead issue. I think it's a stainless steel reinforcement.

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Old 13-10-2021, 07:28   #234
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Just smoke and mirror by Lagoon, trying to silence Collin. I consider his comments reasonable, not aggressive but also not defending shoddy workmanship.
But it's clear if the french guys swallow this pill and invite him that it must have hurt them quite a bit.
Good news!! Maybe it will make them build better boats in the end.



To my uneducated eyes this repair kit is just some plywood held together by glue and a stainless steel clamp. Following Lagoon's repair instructions ( i.e. not removing the trim) it is impossible to ensure a good fit of the parts so it's uncertain if the glue will even stick to both sides.

My own confidence in this fix would be close to 0. It's a bandaid, applied in the cheapest way. Lagoon is not trying to do things right but they are trying to get out of the bad news quickly with as little effort as possible.

It reminds me of the Escape Hatch fiasko. FP replaced all escape hatches while Lagoon sent two aluminium brackets and a few screws. What a joke.


While this particular bulkhead issue is IMO a design problem, Lagoon has enough manufacturing issues around bulkheads, spawning all models of the last 2 decades AFAIK.
I have recently visited a 2019 Lagoon 380, one of the last ones built. She has done a simple atlantic circle and what is the result:
All (furniture) bulkheads that were glued in place had the glue cracked and were a few mm dislocated, including the salon bulkhead (the one with the sliding door).
Of those bulkheads glassed in place at least one (the front one taking the mast loads) was in need of re-tabbing as the glass tabbing had separated from the hull on one side.
The boat was noisy even while moored, as soon as a dinghy passed it would squeak badly.

Some Brand-loyal owner said on FB his boat needed "bulkhead maintenance".
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Re: Lagoon cats now on discount...

Rabbi, didn't you post picks of the evolution of L380 bulkhead fastening in this thread? If I recall some were properly glassed in and some were just embedded in mucky-pucky. I'll bet a beer that the older boats were done properly while the newer ones were lick and stick.
Matt Johnson is a member here and purchased a kit boat. Despite the major items being completed there's still a ton of glass work to do on bulkheads etc. He has a YouTube channel which shows the painstaking steps to build a proper boat. My only complaint is it needs to get done sooner or I'll be to old to go sailing on it.

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Old 13-10-2021, 12:41   #236
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Rabbi, didn't you post picks of the evolution of L380 bulkhead fastening in this thread? If I recall some were properly glassed in and some were just embedded in mucky-pucky. I'll bet a beer that the older boats were done properly while the newer ones were lick and stick.
Matt Johnson is a member here and purchased a kit boat. Despite the major items being completed there's still a ton of glass work to do on bulkheads etc. He has a YouTube channel which shows the painstaking steps to build a proper boat. My only complaint is it needs to get done sooner or I'll be to old to go sailing on it.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvJ...R04-ifkg_FFnaw
Yes, that was me.
But that wasn't an "evolution" of bulkhead fastening. It was more showing the chaos that Lagoon produces.

For example: I have photos of a 2015 with the front bulkhead fixed with glue + glass on one side and glue on the other side of the panel. I have photos of another 2015 with glass on both sides. These boats are same model year, just 7 hull numbers apart. I also have a 2006 on file with glass, a 2008 with glue, a 2010 with glass. There is no real evolution, only chaos.

I happen to have even very old photos of at least the main front bulkhead fastening method as I typically take photos of the depth sounder installation, and the bulkhead happens to be in the frame very often.


The bulkhead fastening seems to loosely depend on a combination of two factors: the phase of the moon, and if the foreman had red or white wine for lunch (or maybe for breakfast!?).
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More 450 woes

Here's an vid on 2 more L450s with the dreaded bulkhead issues. David Shih has his 450 in Panama next to Parlay's and you see him in some of the Parlay vid.
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Here's an vid on 2 more L450s with the dreaded bulkhead issues. David Shih has his 450 in Panama next to Parlay's and you see him in some of the Parlay vid.

Egads - I would really like to hear from a naval engineer/architect about the wider implications. These problems seem more extensive than just some cracks in a bulkhead. Some of those boats seemed to have a lot of separations. I know little about such stuff, but wouldn't want to charter one of these and sail her through anything more than force 6 winds.
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Re: Lagoon cats now on discount...

Troubling stuff all around. I hope owners of these ticking time bombs stay close to the coast. Really only a matter of time until one of these just breaks into two boats...
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Troubling stuff all around. I hope owners of these ticking time bombs stay close to the coast. Really only a matter of time until one of these just breaks into two boats...
So, could they use that in the advertising? "TWO BOATS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE!!!"

Sorry, that was a cheap shot, but it is Miller time here...
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