Lagoon cats now on discount...

[poiu]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Grp manufacture rules in Europe has basically ended open mould construction. Tabbing in bulkheads etc with raw fibreglass/polyester is in its last gasps.

More and more two stage hull and liner style construction is on the way.

Why is that? Please explain.

[rabbi]

Originally Posted by Sandy Frank

Curious about why that's is? Health and safety?

Another video just popped up about a lagoon 500.

Do not know if it has been posted here or not, but that level of creaking on a transit would make me sh!t myself. https://youtu.be/KjjIlPxZ9Bk

That video has hundreds of comments. Hundreds of experts, most have never set a foot on a cat but watched Parlay Revival. I would not give something about these comments but it's just an indicator how widely known this problem already is.
Seems this bulkhead issue is getting so widely known this _will_ affect resale value of all 450s. Since many prospective buyers can't see the difference between design and build issues it will also affect other Lagoons.

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by poiu

Why is that? Please explain.

Pretty simple. Greatly increases speed of production inserting a one piece liner in a couple of hours rather than have carpenters and glass guys doing it piece by piece over a few weeks

[poiu]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

Pretty simple. Greatly increases speed of production inserting a one piece liner in a couple of hours rather than have carpenters and glass guys doing it piece by piece over a few weeks

It is obviously cheaper, but that is no reason to assume it will become the only method of construction.

[Sandy Frank]

Originally Posted by boatpoker

Pretty simple. Greatly increases speed of production inserting a one piece liner in a couple of hours rather than have carpenters and glass guys doing it piece by piece over a few weeks

The original statement was the EU rules, not Beneteau group policy, are the reason everything is glued in place. Seems like it would move all quality boat building outside of the EU if that is true.


But I do not doubt that Beneteau group accountants like glue and thin bulkheads.

[goboatingnow]

Originally Posted by Sandy Frank

The original statement was the EU rules, not Beneteau group policy, are the reason everything is glued in place. Seems like it would move all quality boat building outside of the EU if that is true.


But I do not doubt that Beneteau group accountants like glue and thin bulkheads.

just exactly what are quality boats and just who is still in business making them

Europe is by far the worlds biggest sailboat market. None in their right mind is going to build production boats outside the EU

[Simi 60]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

just exactly what are quality boats and just who is still in business making them

Europe is by far the worlds biggest sailboat market. None in their right mind is going to build production boats outside the EU

Plenty of the world's best boats are made in Asia
Last I looked that's outside the EU

[boatpoker]

Originally Posted by poiu

It is obviously cheaper, but that is no reason to assume it will become the only method of construction.

Who said it would ?

[Matt Johnson]

I may be wrong, but I think he's talking about resin infusion being required in Europe when he says "ended open mould". It keeps the workers away from the VOC by vacuuming resin into the dry fiberglass in an enclosed system. They never touch or are in contact with the resin in well set-up systems unlike hand lamination.

Matt

[Sandy Frank]

Originally Posted by Matt Johnson

I may be wrong, but I think he's talking about resin infusion being required in Europe when he says "ended open mould". It keeps the workers away from the VOC by vacuuming resin into the dry fiberglass in an enclosed system. They never touch or are in contact with the resin in well set-up systems unlike hand lamination.

Matt

Ah -good to know. The implication being that those same restrictions would prevent tabbing, which... I do not know. So maybe the glue is beneteau group policy. Bulkhead thickness certainly has nothing to do with it.

[Factor]

Originally Posted by goboatingnow

Europe is by far the worlds biggest sailboat market. None in their right mind is going to build production boats outside the EU

Leopard? Seawind? Corsair? Knysna? Balance? to name but a few

[poiu]

Originally Posted by Sandy Frank

The original statement was the EU rules, not Beneteau group policy, are the reason everything is glued in place. Seems like it would move all quality boat building outside of the EU if that is true.


But I do not doubt that Beneteau group accountants like glue and thin bulkheads.

Exactly and that will not happen. The interpretation of the rules makes no sense and I believe is wrong. There will always be some hand lamination work.

I note that Goboatingnow has not explained his seemingly erroneous statement.

[Tupaia]

Originally Posted by Factor

Leopard? Seawind? Corsair? Knysna? Balance? to name but a few

Broadblue, Dazcat, Sunseeker, Princess, Scorpion, Oyster, Fletcher, Williams, Shetland.


Wonder if these "UK" (non eu) builders will be put out of business by eu rules?

[Joli]

Originally Posted by rabbi

That video has hundreds of comments. Hundreds of experts, most have never set a foot on a cat but watched Parlay Revival. I would not give something about these comments but it's just an indicator how widely known this problem already is.
Seems this bulkhead issue is getting so widely known this _will_ affect resale value of all 450s. Since many prospective buyers can't see the difference between design and build issues it will also affect other Lagoons.

We've heard a 450 owner comment about "creaking" being so bad they were ready to turn the boat around and sell it. This was on a passage from the East Coast of the US to the Caribbean. This is generally an upwind passage.

[Sailingwithgil]

Here is a video on You Tube That a crewmember is recording the sounds below deck of the lagoon 50 cruising at 10kt And I wonder how long can a boat take this before it has major problems?
Listen to the bulkheads on this Lagoon Catamaran..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjjIlPxZ9Bk&t=37s