Lagoon 42 vs everything else

[arsenelupiga]

Originally Posted by Tin Tin

If you want to regularly criss cross oceans and be a "serious" purist type sailor - get a nice long dagger boarder, double the budget if you want to carry the same load though.

i think is more like x 4 to get 30 % gain in performance and same space/payload. Extra speed at fixed space/payload is very expensive.

I am keen to see performance of latest outremer by VPLP that has more spacious hulls ....

[aqfishing]

Originally Posted by Tin Tin

Yep we spent quite a few years in the Caribbean/Bahamas full time on Fly Bridge Lagoon. Have also sailed Tahiti in a L380.


Caribbean/Bahamas and South Pacific share quite a few similarities:


1. Crystal Clear Water
2. Hot humid days, mostly trade winds from east
3. Anchorages strewn with coral heads
4. Inaccurate charts
5. Very sparse beacons or channel markers
6. Cruisers are very sociable in these areas (outside the charter fleet anchorages) and quite often gather in parties of 8 or more on one boat to have cocktails, dinner, play dominoes etc.



So why a flybridge for these zones?


1. All the crew wants to be up there when sailing, not cooped up in the breezeless cockpit and certainly not the saloon, and they want shade so not on the nets.
2. On no wind days and motoring, again everyone wants to be up in the breeze not getting back draft of diesel down below.
3. The view from the helm when negotiating tricky passages or anchoring is excellent, you get good down vision on coral formations, you see what the crew is up to at the anchor or mooring lines.
4. Sailing at night in the tropics, one can also sleep on the helm station bench - it can seat 6 people (on the L440 450 500 may be Bali and NT fly too)
5. Sail controls are spread, but still well organized at the helm station not all congested one a one sided helm.
6. It frees up the cockpit totally to seat a large number of cruiser buddies
7. With 24 people aboard there are 4 zones to mix the front cockpit, the fly bridge (it is always full), cockpit and salon/galley.



So that is why for these locations. If you want to regularly criss cross oceans and be a "serious" purist type sailor - get a nice long dagger boarder, double the budget if you want to carry the same load though.

24 people aboard

[Tin Tin]

Originally Posted by aqfishing

24 people aboard

For a party at anchor in a cruisers tropical paradise, a string of 8 dinghies tied to the stern, they went home about mid night . A couple of days later we went to a party on a 60ft mono hull, talk about a clamber fest, but still good fun.

[Tin Tin]

Originally Posted by Tupaia

Six years sailing around the Pacific both north and south. 31 years multihull ownership, 20 years multihull live aboard. Sailed, delivered 40 different cats.


Fly bridges are great for short hop charter locations with lots of people on board but for long distance ocean sailing with 2 people on board a total disaster. IMO.

Yep, your opinion. Most actual owners would disagree.

[Captaindball]

Originally Posted by Tin Tin

Yep, your opinion. Most actual owners would disagree.

What about owners with small children? I have a 2.5 year old and 9 month old and as I consider how to manage keeping them safe aboard over the next 5-10 years, I can’t imagine unloading that whole burden on my wife if I’m separated by a fly bridge.

[Tin Tin]

Originally Posted by Captaindball

What about owners with small children? I have a 2.5 year old and 9 month old and as I consider how to manage keeping them safe aboard over the next 5-10 years, I can’t imagine unloading that whole burden on my wife if I’m separated by a fly bridge.

At least the boom won't hit them in the head till they are older than 10 .


I can't imagine having children that young on any sail boat for longer than a day, but that's just me, some brave souls have managed it on all sorts of monohulls and catamarans including fly bridge cats. I am not trying to talk any one into a fly bridge, some one just asked the question why a fly bridge for the tropics. Obviously there are plenty of different choices, I am not saying it is superior to anything else, just pointing out why people who own them like them for use in those regions. You suggest your family situation would not suit a fly bridge - so get a low helm like the L42 noted in the OP, no big deal.

[Tin Tin]

In addition to post 36, I would also recommend going to the Lagoon owners facebook page and join. Then ask a general question about raising a family on a Lagoon 450, or any Lagoon for that matter, several have had young children aboard and may give you a few tips. Same with FP FB page.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/lagoonownersgroup/

[Tupaia]

Originally Posted by Captaindball

What about owners with small children? I have a 2.5 year old and 9 month old and as I consider how to manage keeping them safe aboard over the next 5-10 years, I can’t imagine unloading that whole burden on my wife if I’m separated by a fly bridge.

Naah there will be 22 other crew having a party downstairs.

[Captaindball]

Originally Posted by Tin Tin

At least the boom won't hit them in the head till they are older than 10 .


I can't imagine having children that young on any sail boat for longer than a day, but that's just me, some brave souls have managed it on all sorts of monohulls and catamarans including fly bridge cats. I am not trying to talk any one into a fly bridge, some one just asked the question why a fly bridge for the tropics. Obviously there are plenty of different choices, I am not saying it is superior to anything else, just pointing out why people who own them like them for use in those regions. You suggest your family situation would not suit a fly bridge - so get a low helm like the L42 noted in the OP, no big deal.

I grew up on a Catalina 27, not full time but for weekend and week long trips along the California coast. I don’t know how my parents did it. Then again they were in their 20s. I’m in my 40s and know how scary the world is. But yes, you’re right, at least the boom won’t hit them lol

[GreenWave]

Lots of Great points made already but the biggest disconnect is your budget vs what you want. Yes you can likely buy your newer boat for $450k but you will have nothing left to outfit it for the cruising you say you want to do. Boats in that range may not have a water maker, adequate solar etc. you will very likely need $50k outside of purchase price for that kind of boat

[Captaindball]

Originally Posted by GreenWave

Lots of Great points made already but the biggest disconnect is your budget vs what you want. Yes you can likely buy your newer boat for $450k but you will have nothing left to outfit it for the cruising you say you want to do. Boats in that range may not have a water maker, adequate solar etc. you will very likely need $50k outside of purchase price for that kind of boat

That’s why I personally will be looking for a 380 for around $200k, so I can upgrade and outfit it, pay for the monthly burn rate of insurance, slip fees, etc without tapping into my monthly income to do so. I’ve got a $300k budget, not going to burn all my powder on the initial purchase.

[aqfishing]

Originally Posted by Tin Tin

For a party at anchor in a cruisers tropical paradise, a string of 8 dinghies tied to the stern, they went home about mid night . A couple of days later we went to a party on a 60ft mono hull, talk about a clamber fest, but still good fun.

Ah brilliant!

[jalmberg]

Originally Posted by sgl

What's the consensus on this boat?

The consensus seems to be that a 42' boat for a newbie is great. In my experience, they end up as dock queens because the owners quickly discover there is more to cruising than writing a check, and ocean sailing isn't for everyone (hardly anyone, would be a better way to put it.)

I strongly urge you and your wife to get some offshore experience on other people's boats before plunging in at the deep end. ASA courses are next to useless, IMHO, except maybe for getting a superficial knowledge of the absolute basics. You need real time on the water, in good and bad weather, to see if it's really for you.

Good luck!

-- John

[Ifitsworthdoing]

Have you looked at the brand new Broadblue 405? Should just become available on the market when you are looking to acquire your boat; Broadblue boats all all CE A rated and look as well as sail brilliantly (admittedly I’m biased as I am just about to order its smaller sibling the 346). These are owner-type layouts with a high standard of finish in the wooden cabinetry, designed for cruising rather than racing - their stablemates the Rapiers lean the other way.

[Tupaia]

Originally Posted by Ifitsworthdoing

Have you looked at the brand new Broadblue 405? Should just become available on the market when you are looking to acquire your boat; Broadblue boats all all CE A rated and look as well as sail brilliantly (admittedly I’m biased as I am just about to order its smaller sibling the 346). These are owner-type layouts with a high standard of finish in the wooden cabinetry, designed for cruising rather than racing - their stablemates the Rapiers lean the other way.

Just downloaded the brochure. This looks like a well founded, no frills, mid range cat very suitable for a couple or small family. Good price point for this size as well. Broadblue (Prout) sail plans are very good for ease of handling and ostensibly trade wind sailing. A proper cruisers boat and given the low displacement looks like it will probably have a reasonable turn of speed. Some of the Lagoon range attempted the mast aft arrangement but Broadblue's (Prout's) experience with this type of rig will probably give them the edge to get this right.

Almost warrants a Broadblue 405 thread as I am sure there will be others interested in this boat.