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02-08-2017, 00:41
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#16
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Mongolia and Luckyfish
Boat: Wharram Tiki 38
Posts: 7
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
Hi gekko15,
There are a ton of cats out there for that figure capable of doing what you want. 3 years ago I had the same question and began reading up on James Wharram and his principles of design. Safety and performance were my two main criteria.
The more I read the more I realised his design, the Tiki 38, was the ideal boat for us. We found a good one for sale in South Africa and since then I have been sharing our experiences, crossing the Atlantic, cruising the Caribbean etc.
My motivation to vlog about it is to share what is possible on a reasonably priced catamaran. You really don't have to spend your life saving money, or paying off a loan to have amazing adventures on a safe, fast, bluewater catamaran. The Wharram community are a great bunch of folks happy to provide advice etc to help you on your journey.
Here's a link to a recent episode. Cheers and good luck with your search. We all started out with a dream once! P.S. Right on Redreuben!
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Originally Posted by Redreuben
One word. Wharram 
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02-08-2017, 01:28
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#17
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Up the mast, looking for clean wind.
Boat: Currently Shopping, & Heavily in LUST!
Posts: 5,629
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
Read Andy Evans's book on solo sailing. It's free for download below, though do pick up a hard copy too. As it has lots of ideas & wisdom on how to set up boats for short-handing, & what it's like to sail solo or double-handed. Which, if you've but 2 folks onboard, in anything but emergencies, you, the watch stander, are essentially sailing solo.
Singlehanded Sailing Society | San Francisco Shorthanded Racing
Resources | Singlehanded Sailing Society
http://sfbaysss.org/resource/doc/Sin...rdEdition2.pdf
BTW, Andy Evans is a member both here, & on Sailing Anarchy Forums, where his handle is "Foolish". I forget what it is here, but he's easy enough to track down, & generally is more than happy to share his (huge depth of) knowledge. As he's distilled the wisdom of thousands of hours of solo sailing done by pro's into his book. And of course has loads of time on the water himself.
Also, there are numerous multihull associations on both coasts, as well as the Great Lakes. All of which have a wealth of resources & information.
And if you have a significant other, have her(?) take sailing classes seperately from you. Which, it's generally preferable to pick a school which has a female instructor for said classes.
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02-08-2017, 02:36
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#18
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Mid north coast NSW Australia
Boat: Chamberlin 12.4m
Posts: 145
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
   on the Andy Evans book.
Jealous though. A privilege 39 for 100K? Not where I live
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02-08-2017, 08:22
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#19
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Boat: In Between Boats
Posts: 152
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
Welcome to the 'Cat Race'! The new status symbol.
Take a look at what the same money will buy in a solid mono. For the budget limited, Cats will keep you sailing SV Someday.
Be realistic about your means and needs. Cats are expensive and have their own problems.
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03-08-2017, 03:21
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#20
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Winter Germany, Summer Med
Boat: Lagoon 380 S2
Posts: 1,934
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
If one is just after lots of space and stability at anchor the are plenty of older boats within budget. I have just meet some older folks happily living on a small Bobcat, a design from the 60s. I bet it cost under 30k. Not what I would sail across any ocean but for living in the med why not?
If it needs to be blue water, roomy, modern, nice and shiny the budget needs to be doubled at least.
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03-08-2017, 05:40
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#21
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: forest city
Boat: no boat any more
Posts: 2,514
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
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Originally Posted by Hearts Content
Welcome to the 'Cat Race'! The new status symbol.
Take a look at what the same money will buy in a solid mono. For the budget limited, Cats will keep you sailing SV Someday.
Be realistic about your means and needs. Cats are expensive and have their own problems.
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03-08-2017, 05:42
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cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pangaea
Posts: 10,856
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
First learn to sail and see if you even enjoy it.
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03-08-2017, 05:46
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2007
Boat: Seawind 1000xl
Posts: 7,461
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
I would second the Prout Snowgoose. Not a performance cat or a condo cat but very seaworthy and well within your budget.
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03-08-2017, 08:16
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#24
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Dubai
Boat: Want a 450 S
Posts: 7
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
Agreed Wharram, blue water sailor. There is one for sale at the moment just under 200k brand new
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03-08-2017, 09:38
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 417
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
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03-08-2017, 09:51
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#26
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Boat: 1993 Amel Super Maramu 53'
Posts: 91
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
I'm more of a dog person, go monohull. I recommend you continue your research, and go on a multi-day crewed charter on both, then go spend a couple of nights in one hull or the other of a Cat... for me, I feel more like I am in a submarine!  Also consider if swinging from the hook is what you want, or do you want the occasional marina overnight? Good luck and I hope you are able to achieve your dream. I have many friends out there on the great open blue on Cat's of all sizes and prices and they swear by them... I just swear!
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03-08-2017, 13:41
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#27
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: LA
Boat: Farrier F9ax, Edel 35
Posts: 104
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
you can do it!
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06-08-2017, 02:53
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#28
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 4
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
Thanks to everyone for their comments and insights. First on the list is to learn some actual sailing and then to spend a few nights on different boats. I went to the Sydney boat show this weekend and I was pleasantly surprised by both the monohulls and cats - although I know that selecting from a used line-up will be different.
Thanks again for everybody's comments and for making me feel welcome on the forum.
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06-08-2017, 03:04
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#29
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western Caribbean
Boat: 38/41 Fountains pajot
Posts: 3,060
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
There's a privilege in the caribbean for 40k. Needs 20k of work.
There's 2 others almost at 100k. But Gemini that are 60k have circumnavigated. Prouts were good but 30-40 years of in keel water tanks have led to more than 1 needing intense hull repairs.
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06-08-2017, 10:05
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#30
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: Is a $100k cat a pipedream?
in mazatlan are two cats under 100,000.
one fisher cat is 69,900 asking price, and tisha baby, a well cruised sweetie used to be a neighbor in various anchorages, was 99,000 usd asking price., as tisha baby has gone from mazatlan to one of rays other yacht brokerage regions--he only has 4 or 5-- i donot know if she has been sold.
the fisher cat is still available and located in marina mazatlan.
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