I think we settled on a Gemini, change my mind

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by smj

1 flipped of the panhandle of Florida
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Probably this one: https://www.newsherald.com/news/20180411/found-at-sea/1

[Lodesman]

Originally Posted by smj

One flipped in a race in Gt Britain

Discussed here: https://forums.ybw.com/index.php?thr...apsize.321343/

Another discussed in CF: https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...am-160504.html

[smj]

Originally Posted by Mr B

The results so far on the Gemini Forums on Gems that have flipped,
but not due to Hurricanes or Cyclones, are so far,

One in a race in the UK, Too much sail for the conditions,

Key West to Texas, Buried the bow and pitched poled over, Too much sail up,

Florida to Bahamas, Too much sail up in the conditions, Steve Phillips Gem,

Diana Bolton sank her 4th Gem of 5 Gems, Near Marco Island in 10 feet of water,
Water spout flipped it over, 10 to 17 knots of wind on a great day for sailing,
Freak Accident, 2006, She bought her 5th gem within a year of that sinking,

I also seen a video in a storm, All thru the video, The voice said the Gemini is overturned and sinking,
Then right at the end, It mentioned that it was actually a Prout that had sunk, Not a Gemini,

Not a manufacturing fault by any means if the person sailing them do stupid things resulting in a sinking,

You cant blame the boat for stupidity and sailing Incompetence, ,

Not a bad record for 1200 odd Gemini's that have been built,

None, That have just fallen to pieces or broken up from Manufacturing Faults,

I still cant find any evidence of the Bulkheads giving way and falling to bits on the Gemini's either,

My Gem got both the hulls smashed to bits on the rocks and have been fully repaired,
The rest of the boat is still structurally sound and I have tested it in 40 knot plus winds in a Violent storm I went thru in Bass Strait,
That was one wild ride, Hahahaha

Cheers, Brian,

The Key West to Texas capsize was probably the people we met on a Texas based Gemini. They were motor sailing and got hit by a gust, went over. They also told us about a similar event on a Gemini in approximately the same location.
Diana Bolton was not on her Gemini when it capsized and I was told it wasn’t a waterspout but a grounding of one hull while sailing.
As you’ve noted the majority of Gemini capsizes are due to being over canvased. The Gemini has a skinny beam, is lightish and carries a decent amount of sail area, thus she performs well but maybe slightly tender.
All catamarans are able to capsize, some easier than others. The initial post on this thread was someone looking for their first sailboat, which means minimal if any experience. Nothing wrong noting that the Gemini’s can capsize as hopefully it would make a new owner more cautious.

[smj]

Originally Posted by Lodesman

Probably this one: https://www.newsherald.com/news/20180411/found-at-sea/1

Yesss

[smj]

Originally Posted by malbert73

It’s just physics- and a narrow catamaran that sails well in light breeze like a Gemini is vulnerable to capsize if caught in too much breeze with full sail. Most charter type cats minimize this risk by being underpowered in light air and by being wider and heavier.

So reef early and always look out for sudden squalls.

Everyone always focuses on capsize risk in cats. It’s never 0 but it’s pretty small so I think other factors should be considered first.
I believe the main knock on Gems is low bridge deck clearance?

Exactly

[Mr B]

Originally Posted by smj

The Key West to Texas capsize was probably the people we met on a Texas based Gemini. They were motor sailing and got hit by a gust, went over. They also told us about a similar event on a Gemini in approximately the same location.
Diana Bolton was not on her Gemini when it capsized and I was told it wasn’t a waterspout but a grounding of one hull while sailing.
As you’ve noted the majority of Gemini capsizes are due to being over canvased. The Gemini has a skinny beam, is lightish and carries a decent amount of sail area, thus she performs well but maybe slightly tender.
All catamarans are able to capsize, some easier than others. The initial post on this thread was someone looking for their first sailboat, which means minimal if any experience. Nothing wrong noting that the Gemini’s can capsize as hopefully it would make a new owner more cautious.

The information I put up about Diana Bolton was from Diana Bolton her self on the Gemini Forum,
She is a member on there,
She stated that she wasnt on it, but a water spout did the damage,
On a nice pleasant day for sailing,
Its pretty hard to ground a Gemini in 10 feet of water, Her Comment also,

She has owned five Gemini's,

[smj]

Originally Posted by Mr B

The information I put up about Diana Bolton was from Diana Bolton her self on the Gemini Forum,

She is a member on there,

She stated that she wasnt on it, but a water spout did the damage,

On a nice pleasant day for sailing,

Its pretty hard to ground a Gemini in 10 feet of water, Her Comment also,



She has owned five Gemini's,

Not what I was told but anyways we can now determine her Gemini capsized from the wind?

[geoleo]

Originally Posted by Mr B

The results so far on the Gemini Forums on Gems that have flipped,
but not due to Hurricanes or Cyclones, are so far,

One in a race in the UK, Too much sail for the conditions,

Key West to Texas, Buried the bow and pitched poled over, Too much sail up,

Florida to Bahamas, Too much sail up in the conditions, Steve Phillips Gem,

Diana Bolton sank her 4th Gem of 5 Gems, Near Marco Island in 10 feet of water,
Water spout flipped it over, 10 to 17 knots of wind on a great day for sailing,
Freak Accident, 2006, She bought her 5th gem within a year of that sinking,

I also seen a video in a storm, All thru the video, The voice said the Gemini is overturned and sinking,
Then right at the end, It mentioned that it was actually a Prout that had sunk, Not a Gemini,

Not a manufacturing fault by any means if the person sailing them do stupid things resulting in a sinking,

You cant blame the boat for stupidity and sailing Incompetence, ,

Not a bad record for 1200 odd Gemini's that have been built,

None, That have just fallen to pieces or broken up from Manufacturing Faults,

I still cant find any evidence of the Bulkheads giving way and falling to bits on the Gemini's either,

My Gem got both the hulls smashed to bits on the rocks and have been fully repaired,
The rest of the boat is still structurally sound and I have tested it in 40 knot plus winds in a Violent storm I went thru in Bass Strait,
That was one wild ride, Hahahaha

Cheers, Brian,

Thanks for the facts Sir! OP SMJ says he is not a Gemini Basher- However he has peddled his false narrative that at least 15 Geminis have "flipped" for years on many forums.

[smj]

Originally Posted by geoleo

Thanks for the facts Sir! OP SMJ says he is not a Gemini Basher- However he has peddled his false narrative that at least 15 Geminis have "flipped" for years on many forums.

Don’t be so fast Georgie, we are at10 so far, give it some time.

[mikedefieslife]

Originally Posted by geoleo

Op named SJM or such. Why would you buy a second Gemini if the first was unsafe because of capsizing? One would think you learned from the first???????lol

Iroquios are known to have flipped, the MKII didn't though.

If you were mugged in NY, would you never go there again? One would think you'd learn from the first time. In fact his scenario is probably more likely.

Cat with boards like the Gemmini require much more care then those without like the Prout, but a generally safe cats.

The small beam on it's own is neither hear nor there, static and dynamic stability are about the weight of the boat and the centre of effort too.

[Dulcesuenos]

Originally Posted by smj

Don’t be so fast Georgie, we are at10 so far, give it some time.

Originally Posted by mikedefieslife

Iroquios are known to have flipped, the MKII didn't though.

If you were mugged in NY, would you never go there again? One would think you'd learn from the first time. In fact his scenario is probably more likely.

Cat with boards like the Gemmini require much more care then those without like the Prout, but a generally safe cats.

The small beam on it's own is neither hear nor there, static and dynamic stability are about the weight of the boat and the centre of effort too.

Originally Posted by geoleo

Thanks for the facts Sir! OP SMJ says he is not a Gemini Basher- However he has peddled his false narrative that at least 15 Geminis have "flipped" for years on many forums.

Geoleo as I recall from alot of your "for sale posts and reposts" your not really one who should call others out on false narrative, ,,,
Besides 10 is close enough to 15 that it's really a moot point. Nearly 10% of a certain model manufactured has flipped, thats pretty bad if 10 % of Toyota's caught fire I wouldnt buy one.

[mikedefieslife]

Do Gemini's have the water tight compartments that some other boats like Prouts and PDQs have? I don't recall reading about them, but I'm genuinely curious.

[GordonShumway]

Originally Posted by Dulcesuenos

Geoleo as I recall from alot of your "for sale posts and reposts" your not really one who should call others out on false narrative, ,,,
Besides 10 is close enough to 15 that it's really a moot point. Nearly 10% of a certain model manufactured has flipped, thats pretty bad if 10 % of Toyota's caught fire I wouldnt buy one.

Math check?? I understand there have been over 1200 Gems made over the years. If 10 have flipped that's 0.8% - far less than 10%

[Training Wheels]

Originally Posted by Dulcesuenos

Geoleo as I recall from alot of your "for sale posts and reposts" your not really one who should call others out on false narrative, ,,,
Besides 10 is close enough to 15 that it's really a moot point. Nearly 10% of a certain model manufactured has flipped, thats pretty bad if 10 % of Toyota's caught fire I wouldnt buy one.

Holy cow! 10% of Gemini’s have capsized? So now we’re up to something like 120 Gemini’s have capsized?!?

[Davy J]

Nearly 10% of a certain model manufactured has flipped, thats pretty bad if 10 % of Toyota's caught fire I wouldnt buy one.

Math, how does it work............. ten boats is 1%.

Plus, of the ten, it would seem that half of those may have been operator error.

Would you not buy a Toyota because .05% of the idiots ran them into trees?

Second, I seem to recall the operator manual saying to put a first reef in the main at about 18 or 19 knots. In my six years of ownership, most of the time, I put a reef in early. The funny thing is, that in some cases, forward boat speed actually picks up..........

Gemini's are very easy to sail, when everything is going great. When things get nasty, you have to know what you are doing.